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Old 02-27-2013, 12:45 PM  
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Old 11-16-2013, 12:33 PM   #8641
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Old 11-17-2013, 01:36 AM   #8642
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Did you just call Delanie Walker an elite target?

Bowe is better than Crabtree, and I wouldn't argue that margin is huge.

But Jamaal Charles vs. Gore? Yeah, that's a pretty big margin, IMO. You're talking about the guy who came into this season as the NFL leader in YPC - career. A guy who ran for 1500 yards a year ago when everyone knew he was the only thing that could potentially hurt them.

Gore is a good NFL back, but he's not in that territory.
Charles ran for 1500 yards and Gore ran for 1200. Then you had Kendall Hunter who was averaging something like 5.2 yards a carry also as the back up. I don't know who the KC back up was last season nor how much he touched the field to rest Charles. I assume he did some? So while Frank is certainly a step behind Jamaal...I'm sure some ground was made up in the running game in general when they rested the backs. What also doesn't show statiscally is how good a blocker Gore is in the passing game. Not to take away from Charles here..he's good..very good...but Gore is better...in fact, I think he's the best in the NFL.

I meant Vd as Elite not Delanie...although I'd say Delanie would be a solid step up from any TE currently on the KC roster...and I'd still argue that having either one of them on the field opens things up that aren't possible with the current KC roster.

I think I can see now why we are having our disagreement now. If I felt the same way about this roster being basically equal to what he had in SF, I'd probably be saying the exact same thing. But I don't...especially when we get back to the OL.
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Old 11-17-2013, 11:55 AM   #8643
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Old 11-17-2013, 12:10 PM   #8644
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same as it ever was
50% of Manning's yards are YAC

Which give Manning a whopping 4.26 yards per attempt when you calulate how far he actually throws the ball
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Old 11-17-2013, 12:11 PM   #8645
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Old 11-17-2013, 12:14 PM   #8646
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Charles ran for 1500 yards and Gore ran for 1200. Then you had Kendall Hunter who was averaging something like 5.2 yards a carry also as the back up. I don't know who the KC back up was last season nor how much he touched the field to rest Charles. I assume he did some? So while Frank is certainly a step behind Jamaal...I'm sure some ground was made up in the running game in general when they rested the backs. What also doesn't show statiscally is how good a blocker Gore is in the passing game. Not to take away from Charles here..he's good..very good...but Gore is better...in fact, I think he's the best in the NFL.

I meant Vd as Elite not Delanie...although I'd say Delanie would be a solid step up from any TE currently on the KC roster...and I'd still argue that having either one of them on the field opens things up that aren't possible with the current KC roster.

I think I can see now why we are having our disagreement now. If I felt the same way about this roster being basically equal to what he had in SF, I'd probably be saying the exact same thing. But I don't...especially when we get back to the OL.
I wouldn't argue the overall offensive unit is as good as it was in San Francisco, as the OL is not nearly as good.

But the skill talent? Yeah, I'd still give an edge to the KC guys. Not a huge one, but an edge. You make good points about Vernon Davis, though I disagree with you quite a bit on Gore/Charles... separation there is pretty large. Charles ran for 1500 yards and over 5 yards per carry while paired with the worst QB situation in the NFL. He also was the NFL career leader in YPC entering this season.

Ultimately: The talent around Alex Smith is good enough that he SHOULD be doing more with it. I think most can agree to that.
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Old 11-17-2013, 12:15 PM   #8647
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to break it down on Manning...

according to http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/st...he-catch/2013/

Den has a total of 1663 yards of YAC
Manning has a total of 3249 yards passing
Manning has 369 attempts

Do the math:

3249 yards total passing
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Old 11-17-2013, 12:17 PM   #8648
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I'm talking about this year's Manning. I don't give a **** about him going to the Hall or anything. I am talking about his offense this year and on this day in particular
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Meanwhile Manning LEADS THE ENTIRE NFL in deep completions.

Try again, reerun.
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I wouldn't argue the overall offensive unit is as good as it was in San Francisco, as the OL is not nearly as good.

But the skill talent? Yeah, I'd still give an edge to the KC guys. Not a huge one, but an edge. You make good points about Vernon Davis, though I disagree with you quite a bit on Gore/Charles... separation there is pretty large. Charles ran for 1500 yards and over 5 yards per carry while paired with the worst QB situation in the NFL. He also was the NFL career leader in YPC entering this season.

Ultimately: The talent around Alex Smith is good enough that he SHOULD be doing more with it. I think most can agree to that.
And I do and did agree with that. My comment was that I didn't think he was doing horrible considering.
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4.26 yards per attempt
Dude, you're showing your ass.

Manning throws the ball down the field more than most quarterbacks.

It is proven fact.
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Dude, you're showing your ass.

Manning throws the ball down the field more than most quarterbacks.

It is proven fact.
Actually he is not even in the top 4 of deep attempts but okay
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Dude, you're showing your ass.

Manning throws the ball down the field more than most quarterbacks.

It is proven fact.
More times or a higher %?
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