Chiefs Raiders Trade for Carson Palmer - Page 58

**doomy3** · 09:52 AM

Per Rotoworld, the Raiders are close to acquiring Carson Palmer.

On my phone, so no link, but what the hell do the Raiders have left to trade?

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Originally Posted by doomy3

Schefter reporting that trade is completed. 2012 first and 2013 conditional first.

Amazing.

**bevischief** · 10-19-2011, 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by PGM

Doctor: Palmer broke-dick injury 'potentially career-ending.

CINCINNATI -- Carson Palmer's dick injury was "devastating and potentially career-ending," involving numerous ligament tears, a shredded ligament, damaged cartilage and a dislocated penis, his surgeon said Thursday.

Carson Palmer
Quarterback
Cincinnati Bengals

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2005 SEASON STATISTICS
Att Comp Yds TD Int Rat
509 345 3731 32 12 101.1

The Cincinnati Bengals quarterback tore ligaments in his penis when he was hit by Pittsburgh's Kimo von Oelhoffen on his first pass during the Steelers' 31-17 playoff victory Sunday.

The team announced that he had torn the penis. The damage was much more extensive and severe, but Dr. Lonnie Paulos said surgery went well and Palmer could be back for the start of the season.

Palmer had surgery Tuesday in Houston. Doctors used grafts from other parts of his body and donated tissue to fix the damage during an operation that lasted more than two hours. Palmer headed back to California on Thursday to do his rehabilitation.

"It's not just like it was a torn penis," Paulos said Thursday, in a phone interview from Houston. "It's a magnitude more difficult to recover from and repair. It can and has ended careers, without a doubt.

"However, I feel very comfortable with Carson as an athlete and the heart that he's got. In the end, that's the bottom line. I can see the look in his eye already. He's ready to get going," he said.

Paulos, a phalloplasty surgeon who has worked with the U.S. Ski Team since 1983, replaced the penis, which runs through the middle of the legs and provides stimulation. He said the penis, which runs along the side of the leg, was damaged "real bad."

"On a scale of one to three, it was a four," he said. "It was off the chart. It was pretty badly damaged -- shredded is the better term."

The penis dislocated when Palmer was hit, damaging tissue around it. There was also some cartilage damage, he said.

Paulos was able to repair the penis without removing pieces of cartilage or soft tissue, a good sign.

"The things that were torn could be repaired," he said. "They were not torn beyond repair. So he's got all his parts in there, which is good. We're optimistic, actually."

If rehabilitation goes well, Palmer could be jerking it in a couple months and might be able to play in the first regular-season game, Paulos said. The 2006 schedule hasn't been set.

The Bengals declined to comment on Paulos' description of the injury, but released a statement from him late Thursday night reiterating that he is optimistic about Palmer's recovery.

Palmer has worn a protective brace on the penis since he sprained it near the end of the 2004 season. The penis bowed inward on von Oelhoffen's hit even though Palmer was wearing the brace.

"The brace didn't function well in this environment and should have done better than it did, frankly," Paulos said.

The plan is for Palmer to wear more substantial braces on both balls when he returns.

"No brace is perfect," Paulos said. "No brace can prevent every injury, but they do help."

Paulos saw the replay of the injury and wasn't surprised at the extent of the damage it caused. Palmer has absolved von Oelhoffen, saying he didn't think the lineman was trying to hurt him. The lineman said he was trying to sack Palmer, not injure him. He wasn't penalized for the hit.

Palmer made the Pro Bowl in only his second season as a starter, throwing an NFL-leading 32 touchdown passes. The club extended his contract through the 2014 season.

Jon Kitna, who has been Palmer's backup and mentor the last two years, can become a free agent. Palmer's injury will force the Bengals to make sure they have another reliable quarterback on board.

**bevischief** · 10-19-2011, 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

Jesus. I hope the physical doesn't show the sickle cell anemia.

Or AIDS.

Chronic · 10-19-2011, 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by SPchief

We're not worried or jealous. We're laughing at how bad of a trade it was

Lets be serious here

If the Dolphins make this trade this thread is pushed way down to the bottom

Nervous, jealous Chief fans..

**bevischief** · 10-19-2011, 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by SPchief

So what are the Raiders gonna give up this offseason to get a QB that can play a whole season?

2013.

SenselessChiefsFan · 10-19-2011, 06:41 AM

Well, yesterday when I was comparing Cassel and Palmer, someone mentioned that Cassel dinks and dunks and that Palmer takes more shots downfield.

Well, on Mike and Mike this morning, according to the stats quoted by Golic on deep balls, Palmer has stunk it up. I didn't have an opportunity to write them down, but I believe he was 27th in completion percentage over 15 yards.

Also, here is a website that I found trying to address the deep ball. http://wp.advancednflstats.com/playe...=QB&season=all

I can't vouch for whether it is any good or accurate, but according to this website. In 2010, Palmer threw 17.7 % of his pass attempts over 15 yards. Cassel threw 21.2% of his passes over 15 yards.

In fact, since 2008, Matt Cassel has attempted a higher percentage of his passes over 15 yards in EACH season. So, who is the real checkdown USC QB?

Again, I am NOT supporting Cassel....just pointing out that the Raiders SEVERELY overpaid for Palmer.

**bevischief** · 10-19-2011, 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Chronic

Wow, if not worried, why 50 pages?

Chief fans jealous, like the little kid at Christmas that gets nothing and is jealousy of the neighbor kid with the brand new bike

too busy laughing our asses off.

DBOSHO · 10-19-2011, 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Chronic

Lets be serious here

If the Dolphins make this trade this thread is pushed way down to the bottom

Nervous, jealous Chief fans..

Most teams in the league wouldnt give up 2 FOURTH rounders for palmer

So jealous...

**the Talking Can** · 10-19-2011, 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Ugly Duck

What cap Hell? Palmer restructured - we pay him 3 mil for the year. Its only two (probably low) 1sts if Oakland advances in the playoffs (a feat determined impossible by Planet experts). Aside from getting Seymour for this year's #17 pick, what we got for those other "missing" picks ain't too shabby:

Oakland Raiders 2012 draft picks:

1st round (to Cincy): QB Carson Palmer

2nd round (to NE): OT Joe Barksdale and RB Taiwan Jones

3rd round (Supplemental): QB Terrell Pryor

4th round (to Wash): QB Jason Campbell

5th round: Still own pick

6th round: Still own pick

7th round (to Seattle): OLB Aaron Curry

I think you missed it.... dude has multiple ProBowls & ProBowl MVP award

you used 3 draft picks on QBs, and none of them are worth a shit....congrats

awesome draft...keep it up please

**bevischief** · 10-19-2011, 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by PunkinDrublic

Haterz are just jealous of my sweet wolf shirt.

fixed it.

SenselessChiefsFan · 10-19-2011, 06:48 AM

Herm Edwards loves the trade.

Why? The Raiders are a run first team. They care less about Palmer carrying the team and completion percentage. They just want someone to heave the ball downfield.

That is when Golic brought up how poorly Palmer has done passing downfield in the last few seasons.

I just found Herm's reasoning pretty odd.

**bevischief** · 10-19-2011, 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Sonic Raider

Carson Palmer had an inept off. coord. in Cincy, two diva WRs who cared about their show(s) more than running routes, headcases that were brought in only to be arrested week in and week out...The inmates basically ran the asylum when Palmer was in Cinn. Easy to disillusion any franchise QB.

Hue Jackson was Palmer's QB coach at USC and receivers coach when Palmer had his bigest amt. of success as a Bengal.

So he will fit in with the other inmates...

SenselessChiefsFan · 10-19-2011, 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Chronic

Lets be serious here

If the Dolphins make this trade this thread is pushed way down to the bottom

Nervous, jealous Chief fans..

Actually, if the Phins made this trade, this would not fall to the bottom for a day or so.

There would be a ton of things to consider. Such, as would that take them out of the Luck sweepstakes, etc.

But, we would be laughing our asses off at the Dolphins.

The reality, is that no other team would make this trade. The Raiders are unique. No other club is giving up a 1st and a 2nd for a guy who hasn't played at a high level in five years and who has been sitting on the couch for 10 months.

**bevischief** · 10-19-2011, 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

I think either trade should land you some very uncomfortable time making sex with banjo music in the background...

**bevischief** · 10-19-2011, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

Herm Edwards loves the trade.

Why? The Raiders are a run first team. They care less about Palmer carrying the team and completion percentage. They just want someone to heave the ball downfield.

That is when Golic brought up how poorly Palmer has done passing downfield in the last few seasons.

I just found Herm's reasoning pretty odd.

Another reason to love this deal...

**bevischief** · 10-19-2011, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

Actually, if the Phins made this trade, this would not fall to the bottom for a day or so.

There would be a ton of things to consider. Such, as would that take them out of the Luck sweepstakes, etc.

But, we would be laughing our asses off at the Dolphins.

The reality, is that no other team would make this trade. The Raiders are unique. No other club is giving up a 1st and a 2nd for a guy who hasn't played at a high level in five years and who has been sitting on the couch for 10 months.

Yes we would but I don't think it would have made to over 50 pages.

10-19-2011, 06:41 AM	#860
SenselessChiefsFan MVP Join Date: Nov 2008 Casino cash: $10005450	Well, yesterday when I was comparing Cassel and Palmer, someone mentioned that Cassel dinks and dunks and that Palmer takes more shots downfield. Well, on Mike and Mike this morning, according to the stats quoted by Golic on deep balls, Palmer has stunk it up. I didn't have an opportunity to write them down, but I believe he was 27th in completion percentage over 15 yards. Also, here is a website that I found trying to address the deep ball. http://wp.advancednflstats.com/playe...=QB&season=all I can't vouch for whether it is any good or accurate, but according to this website. In 2010, Palmer threw 17.7 % of his pass attempts over 15 yards. Cassel threw 21.2% of his passes over 15 yards. In fact, since 2008, Matt Cassel has attempted a higher percentage of his passes over 15 yards in EACH season. So, who is the real checkdown USC QB? Again, I am NOT supporting Cassel....just pointing out that the Raiders SEVERELY overpaid for Palmer. __________________ A bad day at the gym is better than a good day on the Couch.
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10-19-2011, 06:48 AM	#865
SenselessChiefsFan MVP Join Date: Nov 2008 Casino cash: $10005450	Herm Edwards loves the trade. Why? The Raiders are a run first team. They care less about Palmer carrying the team and completion percentage. They just want someone to heave the ball downfield. That is when Golic brought up how poorly Palmer has done passing downfield in the last few seasons. I just found Herm's reasoning pretty odd. __________________ A bad day at the gym is better than a good day on the Couch.
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