Chiefs Would you trade the no. 1 pick for Cam Newton? - Page 58

HolyHat · 02:51 AM

We ran into this topic late Saturday night in another thread.

I personally don't like Cam at all. He's got a ton of talent, but is an absolute idiot. He can't even learn a full playbook. Newton has put up some big numbers, but they haven't translated into a lot of wins.

He is 13-19 as a starter over 2 years.

58.9% comp | 7,920 yards pass | 40 passing TDs | 29 INTS | 1,447 rush yards | 22 rushing TDs |

Would you give up our no. 1 pick for Cam Newton?

**New World Order** · 02-07-2016, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by TigerUppercut

With our current offense, an elite defense would make us perennial contenders.

That's extremely difficult. You're going to have to address multiple positions to bolster an entire unit to be elite.

Hammock Parties · 02-07-2016, 11:40 PM

Why Cam walked out:

Roderick Farrow @BFoz23
Reporter asked Cam, "how does it feel to let the black community down" and you expected him to sit there and answer that??????

KCrockaholic · 02-07-2016, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Mals

Why Cam walked out:

Roderick Farrow @BFoz23
Reporter asked Cam, "how does it feel to let the black community down" and you expected him to sit there and answer that??????

Is this serious?

I mean, I didn't have a problem with him walking off anyways. It's good when a leader takes a loss hard, and serious.

But if that's true, that's a ****ing bullshit question.

temper11 · 02-07-2016, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by KCrockaholic

But if that's true, that's a ****ing bullshit question.

This.

Ass hole.

**Dylan** · 02-08-2016, 01:26 AM

Every quarterback who has been in this situation takes to the podium and finds a way to get through it. All Newton had to do was give a couple of philosophical remarks or statements – Break down a couple of key plays and say they will learn from it and come back stronger next year. He could also say, "I'd have to watch the film."

Newton should have given the Broncos credit for playing a great game and thanked everyone for a great season. It is part of being a professional athlete and leader of a team. Russell Wilson is a perfect example of showing maturity as a leader and getting through tough questions after a Super Bowl loss.

When you give one-word answers and sulk like a child in a big game, the media will eat you up. Newton is 26 years-old and he has been in the NFL long enough to know better - Instead, he lost control of the situation.

Deion Sanders made a good point - As the NFL's Most Valuable Player; Newton should have ascended to that role. Instead, by walking out of the press conference, the narrative is writing itself, triggered by direct negatives - Something he will regret.

Just my opinion

**New World Order** · 02-08-2016, 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Dylan

Every quarterback who has been in this situation takes to the podium and finds a way to get through it. All Newton had to do was give a couple of philosophical remarks or statements – Break down a couple of key plays and say they will learn from it and come back stronger next year. He could also say, "I'd have to watch the film."

Newton should have given the Broncos credit for playing a great game and thanked everyone for a great season. It is part of being a professional athlete and leader of a team. Russell Wilson is a perfect example of showing maturity as a leader and getting through tough questions after a Super Bowl loss.

When you give one-word answers and sulk like a child in a big game, the media will eat you up. Newton is 26 years-old and he has been in the NFL long enough to know better - Instead, he lost control of the situation.

Deion Sanders made a good point - As the NFL's Most Valuable Player; Newton should have ascended to that role. Instead, by walking out of the press conference, the narrative is writing itself, triggered by direct negatives - Something he will regret.

Just my opinion

Good post.

jd1020 · 02-08-2016, 01:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mals

Why Cam walked out:

Roderick Farrow @BFoz23
Reporter asked Cam, "how does it feel to let the black community down" and you expected him to sit there and answer that??????

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14...e-comments-nfl

There's a transcript. Don't see or hear anything about a black community. I think there is more to that last question than whats written. I can here "tough... [inaudible]... locker room." But still nothing about race.

**New World Order** · 02-08-2016, 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Broncos gained the fewest yards of any SB winner. I believe they had the fewest first downs as well.

You don't think this team has a good shot next year if we lock our defense guys up and add to it?

We have a lot of work to do. For us to mirror Denver we would need the following:

-A lockdown pro bowl caliber corner opposite of Peters

-A fast ILB that can cover

-An OLB similar to Ware (Hali's knee is ****ed). Even if he's healthy next year another good quality pass rusher doesn't hurt.

-A good corner to match up with slot wrs (Could it be Gaines? Nelson?).

-A new DC

Toby Waller · 02-08-2016, 03:20 AM

Cam will be a Dominique Williams highlight here and there next year but he wont be getting any closer then he did this time

BigCatDaddy · 02-08-2016, 04:22 AM

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Originally Posted by smellypitts

Cam will be a Dominique Williams highlight here and there next year but he wont be getting any closer then he did this time

Because he cant duplicate the shitty season and SB game Manning had?

BigCatDaddy · 02-08-2016, 04:23 AM

I would also love to hear more about this elite Carolina offensive line, Bob.

**Rausch** · 02-08-2016, 04:27 AM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Because he cant duplicate the shitty season and SB game Manning had?

Cam will never be the game manager Manning has become.

Wait...

Toby Waller · 02-08-2016, 04:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Because he cant duplicate the shitty season and SB game Manning had?

exactly

RunKC · 02-08-2016, 08:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by New World Order

We have a lot of work to do. For us to mirror Denver we would need the following:

-A lockdown pro bowl caliber corner opposite of Peters

-A fast ILB that can cover

-An OLB similar to Ware (Hali's knee is ****ed). Even if he's healthy next year another good quality pass rusher doesn't hurt.

-A good corner to match up with slot wrs (Could it be Gaines? Nelson?).

-A new DC

We will keep Jaye Howard no doubt in my mind. Gaines looked good before he had the ACL tear.

I think the Chiefs need to try to get all D FA's back. If we lose Sean Smith then oh well bring in Jeremy Lane.

Find a fast ILB somewhere and draft CB and pass rusher with our 1st and 2nd Rd picks.
Injuries cost us a lot this year. Manning destroyed Jamel Flemming and Rodgers destroyed Marcus Cooper.

That tells you all you need to know. We aren't done yet, but we're close

Eleazar · 02-08-2016, 08:40 AM

There's quite a gap between Cam Newton and Alex Smith here.

For example, Newton was stymied by his terrible receivers and terrible offensive line, so it wasn't really his fault. When this happened to Alex Smith, he was supposed to "throw them open" and if he were a good QB, he'd raise the level of the people around him.

Newton turned the ball over 3 times and produced no touchdowns, to say nothing of his mental gaffe of not going in for the fumble which ended his team's chances, or his screaming at officials toward the end, but it was excusable because he was playing a great defense. Smith gets criticized when he plays a good defense and wins, but doesn't put up a lot of yards.

Smith has never once displayed a lack of maturity like Newton did last night after the game, but around here he's seen as not leading enough, just towing the company line, etc

In the game thread, you point out that Newton was overthrowing half the time, side arming passes, etc., it's because he is being hurried. Smith dealt with that all last year and it was just "no more excuses!"

It's remarkable how we at CP treat our own players worse than anyone else's. It's particularly remarkable today, because Alex Smith probably would have won that game. Nobody has ever said Smith was an elite QB but he is a mature player who usually keeps his cool in the pocket, does well at feeling the rush, and handles pressure without becoming a turnover machine or losing his accuracy.

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HolyHat No mayonnaise for me today!!! Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Overland Park Casino cash: $10005533	Would you trade the no. 1 pick for Cam Newton? We ran into this topic late Saturday night in another thread. I personally don't like Cam at all. He's got a ton of talent, but is an absolute idiot. He can't even learn a full playbook. Newton has put up some big numbers, but they haven't translated into a lot of wins. He is 13-19 as a starter over 2 years. 58.9% comp \| 7,920 yards pass \| 40 passing TDs \| 29 INTS \| 1,447 rush yards \| 22 rushing TDs \| Would you give up our no. 1 pick for Cam Newton? Last edited by HolyHat; 02-17-2013 at 02:51 AM..
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Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $890478	Why Cam walked out: Roderick Farrow @BFoz23 Reporter asked Cam, "how does it feel to let the black community down" and you expected him to sit there and answer that??????
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02-08-2016, 01:26 AM	#860
Dylan The Lede Join Date: Aug 2007 Casino cash: $10016591	Every quarterback who has been in this situation takes to the podium and finds a way to get through it. All Newton had to do was give a couple of philosophical remarks or statements – Break down a couple of key plays and say they will learn from it and come back stronger next year. He could also say, "I'd have to watch the film." Newton should have given the Broncos credit for playing a great game and thanked everyone for a great season. It is part of being a professional athlete and leader of a team. Russell Wilson is a perfect example of showing maturity as a leader and getting through tough questions after a Super Bowl loss. When you give one-word answers and sulk like a child in a big game, the media will eat you up. Newton is 26 years-old and he has been in the NFL long enough to know better - Instead, he lost control of the situation. Deion Sanders made a good point - As the NFL's Most Valuable Player; Newton should have ascended to that role. Instead, by walking out of the press conference, the narrative is writing itself, triggered by direct negatives - Something he will regret. Just my opinion __________________
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Toby Waller Banned Join Date: Oct 2015 Casino cash: $10000400	Cam will be a Dominique Williams highlight here and there next year but he wont be getting any closer then he did this time
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02-08-2016, 08:40 AM	#870
Eleazar Beyond the Rapids Join Date: May 2003 Location: Langley, VA Casino cash: $-370000	There's quite a gap between Cam Newton and Alex Smith here. For example, Newton was stymied by his terrible receivers and terrible offensive line, so it wasn't really his fault. When this happened to Alex Smith, he was supposed to "throw them open" and if he were a good QB, he'd raise the level of the people around him. Newton turned the ball over 3 times and produced no touchdowns, to say nothing of his mental gaffe of not going in for the fumble which ended his team's chances, or his screaming at officials toward the end, but it was excusable because he was playing a great defense. Smith gets criticized when he plays a good defense and wins, but doesn't put up a lot of yards. Smith has never once displayed a lack of maturity like Newton did last night after the game, but around here he's seen as not leading enough, just towing the company line, etc In the game thread, you point out that Newton was overthrowing half the time, side arming passes, etc., it's because he is being hurried. Smith dealt with that all last year and it was just "no more excuses!" It's remarkable how we at CP treat our own players worse than anyone else's. It's particularly remarkable today, because Alex Smith probably would have won that game. Nobody has ever said Smith was an elite QB but he is a mature player who usually keeps his cool in the pocket, does well at feeling the rush, and handles pressure without becoming a turnover machine or losing his accuracy.
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