Owners of Toyota Cars in Rebellion Over Accidents Caused by Sudden acceleration.

[wild1]

Originally Posted by HemiEd

Read the thread, the owners are saying it is not the floor mats. I would suggest clicking on the youtube of the drivers ed instructor.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWzroq-0h_c

The NTSB says it's the mats and they will be recalling them, and in the meantime one should remove them.

Today’s advisory was precipitated by continued reports of vehicles accelerating rapidly after release of the accelerator pedal. The incidents appear to be related to factors including the use of a variety of unsecured mats, the particular configuration of the accelerator pedals in these vehicles, and the unique steps needed to shut off the engines in some of these vehicles with keyless ignition.

[Brock]

Here you go, Dumbbell. This is what the NHTSA says about it, it's the latest news from them, verbatim. Just like what I posted earlier.


http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/portal/site...earSelect=2009

[HemiEd]

Originally Posted by Brock

Here you go, Dumbbell. This is what the NHTSA says about it, it's the latest news from them, verbatim. Just like what I posted earlier.


http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/portal/site...earSelect=2009

As I suspected, old news, and you intentionally left the link out in an effort to hide this fact.

Tuesday, September 29, 2009! Enjoy your clown shoes.

Why are you so irrational about defending them? Why do you refuse to even consider the information that represents something you don't like?


I have posted articles, including statements from the nhtsa, saying the investigation is still ongoing.
It just might be that some of these people, that have actually experienced this, may have a valid point.

[Brock]

Originally Posted by HemiEd

As I suspected, old news, and you intentionally left the link out in an effort to hide this fact.

Tuesday, September 29, 2009! Enjoy your clown shoes.

Why are you so irrational about defending them? Why do you refuse to even consider the information that represents something you don't like?


I have posted articles, including statements from the nhtsa, saying the investigation is still ongoing.
It just might be that some of these people, that have actually experienced this, may have a valid point.

That is the latest NHTSA information. If you have a link to new NHTSA information, then post it. Not the Chicago Tribune's rehash of what I already posted. The actual new NHTSA news release that you say is out there. Otherwise, I'll consider the matter closed, and your argument null.

[Brock]

Yeah, click on the youtube links, you'll find Ed's video of himself screaming "LEAVE GM ALONE YOU BASTARDS!!"

[Radar Chief]

Originally Posted by Brock

Yeah, click on the youtube links, you'll find Ed's video of himself screaming "LEAVE GM ALONE YOU BASTARDS!!"

"Leave GM alone" from HEMI-Ed?

[Stewie]

Given that the number of cases is 2000 and the number of vehicles manufactured over the time frame is most likely in the 10's of millions, it's not a systemic problem. It's anecdotal at best. I'm pretty sure there are 2000 really stupid people out of 10 million plus.

[Brock]

Really, all of this is just simple-minded, irrational hatred for superior products, brought on by unjustified feelings of loyalty toward dying, deadhead companies. Dead from the neck up. All it really elicits from me at this point is a chuckle.

[HemiEd]

You are just laughable, and so predictable.

You discredit the Chicago Tribune's quote of the NHTSA " last week, the NHTSA called the issue a "very dangerous problem" and said the remedy remains to be determined.

The agency declined a request for interviews, but issued a statement defending its past actions, saying its officials have continuously monitored Toyota vehicles for potential defects and that many of the reports of sudden acceleration involved only momentary surges of engine power that did not result in any loss of vehicle control.

"NHTSA takes every allegation of safety problems seriously and that is why we read every consumer complaint within one business day of its receipt," the agency said. "In the case of complaints about sudden acceleration in Toyota vehicles NHTSA moved very quickly to respond to them."

But you will only accept the information from a government organization, that was posted on their website a month a half ago? The very agency that has possibly been negligent, in their investigation of this issue to date?

The agency that stated, last week, that their investigation is not completed?

Did you have to take that position, to get your $4500 government hand out?

Feel free to withdraw, and stick your head in the sand, this is a long way from closed.

[HemiEd]

Originally Posted by Brock

Really, all of this is just simple-minded, irrational hatred for superior products, brought on by unjustified feelings of loyalty toward dying, deadhead companies. Dead from the neck up. All it really elicits from me at this point is a chuckle.

http://www.leftlanenews.com/toyota-a...floor-mat.html


Toyota Avalon displays unintended acceleration without floor mat
01/15/2010, 3:26 PM
By Mark Kleis

In a rather bizarre instance, a driver reportedly began to experience unintended acceleration from his Toyota Avalon and was able to drive the car to a nearby dealer with the vehicle still displaying wide open throttle, despite having the floormat removed. Dealer techs witnessed the problem and have reportedly offered to repair the vehicle free of charge.

According to a report from The Safety Record, on December 29, 2009, the driver of a 2007 Toyota Avalon experienced a bizarre case of sudden and unintended acceleration while driving on the highway, just miles from a local Toyota dealer. The driver managed to switch the vehicle between Neutral and Drive multiple times, while en route to the dealer in order to show the dealer the problem as it was still occurring.

The driver was able to reach the dealer, place the vehicle into neutral, and allow it to continue operating at wide open throttle. The dealer sent out a tech who verified that the floor mat was removed, and pushing the gas pedal had no effect on the acceleration. The dealer was unable to stop the wide open throttle and was forced to shut the vehicle off.

This incident was apparently not the first for the driver, either, who had been to the dealer before about the problem. The first time the unintended acceleration occurred, the driver was able to slow the vehicle with the brakes and switch the vehicle into neutral – where the engine continued to hit maximum rpms. At the time of the first incident, dealer diagnostics revealed no problems in the computer.

The dealer eventually offered to replace the throttle body, accelerator pedal and associated sensors free of charge for the driver after the second incident.

This incident may prove to be a crucial step in finding the true cause of the many reported cases of unintended acceleration in Toyota vehicles. Toyota began its largest-ever recall in 2009 to replace the floor mats and accelerator pedals in over 3.8 million vehicles that could experience unintended acceleration. Critics and survivors of unintended acceleration cases argued that the problem was not a result of the floor mats or accelerator pedals, but instead insist that the computer controlling the acceleration of the vehicle is at fault.

The Safety Record also reported on a one-car crash that occurred in Dallas, Texas the day after Christmas involving a Toyota Avalon. According to the accident report, the vehicle inexplicably left the road and ended up crashing through a fence, and landing upside down in a pond – killing all four occupants. The floor mats were found in the trunk of the car – ruling out the possibility of the floor mat causing the accident.

The official cause of the Dallas crash has not yet been determined.

http://www.myfoxdfw.com/dpp/news/com...ed-in-accident

SOUTHLAKE, Texas - Members of the Southlake community are mourning four people killed in a weekend car crash . Two of the victims died Saturday and the remaining couple died Sunday.

All four people were pulled from a Toyota sedan that landed upside down in a pond at about 11:20 a.m. Saturday morning, near the intersection of Lonesome Dove Road and Burney Lane.

Investigators said the car drove through the intersection and a fence, before landing in the body of water, which is approximately 6 feet deep.

Southlake DPS officers and the Grapevine Fire Department braved the frigid water to free all four trapped victims.

The deceased have been identified as:

* Monty Hardy, 56, of Southlake
* Hadassah Vance, 35, of Euless
* Wendy Akion, 38, of Irving
* Sharon Ransom, 56, of Grapevine

It was not clear what caused the crashed but an investigation was ongoing. In particular, detectives were exploring the possibility that the vehicle's accelerator pedal was stuck.

Toyota recently recalled millions of vehicles because of that issue.

[ILWarpaint]

Originally Posted by Brock

Really, all of this is just simple-minded, irrational hatred for superior products, brought on by unjustified feelings of loyalty toward dying, deadhead companies. Dead from the neck up. All it really elicits from me at this point is a chuckle.

Where's Brock?

[HemiEd]

Originally Posted by ILWarpaint

Where's Brock?

He washed his hands of this issue, since he is so very wrong.

They had an interview with the biggest Toyota dealer in Chicago last night. He said he did not have a single customer shop his place yesterday. Wow, that has got to hurt.

[C-Mac]

Toyota to Replace 4 Million Gas Pedals After Crashes

...per FOX news

[Param]

8 pages on a Toyota recall? Didn't know that was such an exciting topic to discuss.

[HemiEd]

Originally Posted by C-Mac

Toyota to Replace 4 Million Gas Pedals After Crashes

...per FOX news

Interesting. I hate this new Windows7, it will not allow those links.


Edit: ." But in a rare rebuke, NHTSA accused Toyota of releasing misleading information about the recall, saying removing the mats did not "correct the underlying defect." Toyota said it was not the company's intention to mislead anyone.

If removing the floormats did not fix it, I am curious how shortening the gas pedal will?

Originally Posted by Param

8 pages on a Toyota recall? Didn't know that was such an exciting topic to discuss.

If you set up your CP viewing experience properly, it would only be 2 pages.