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Sully · 08-15-2015, 10:22 PM

Chase Daniel is fun to watch. My favorite Tiger ever, and he just makes plays. Not calling for him to start by any means. I just enjoy his success.

Ramik Wilson surprised me tonight. I like him, but thought he had a steep learning curve to contribute. He may not.

Eric Fisher looked good. Other than the one hold, he was flawless.

This one hurts. I don't want to be this guy, and I hope I'm wrong, but...
Dee Ford is a bust.
In the run game, he cannot get off a block to save his life. He's obviously big and strong enough for the position, but he has no power. Just a block magnet.
In the pass game, he's got elite speed, but he can't turn the corner. He gets washed past the Q every time. It's something that can be taught... but he isn't even attempting to get a good lean at this point.

TEX · 08-16-2015, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus

Hah.

Bookmarked for future laughs.

Please do dipshit, right next to your take about Poe being able to play early in the season. Fool.

beach tribe · 08-16-2015, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by TEX

Please do dipshit, right next to your take about Poe being able to play early in the season. Fool.

I think that was me.....so, yeah.

Sully · 08-16-2015, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Uh...

Johnson was already a very talented pass defender when he stepped onto the field - as the stongside OLB in a 43.

He was lazy in his off-season training, thinking he could rely on his natural athleticism to carry him over to the season, which is always why he struggled to come up to his game/season playing speed until late.

That's why Haley put a foot in his ass. Which helped a lot.

But his natural game tendencies were always pretty solid. (He came off blocks wide to start his career, but that was primarily a function of playing OLB in college and to start his pro career.)

Wilson, at least in college, found a ton of tackles. He rarely made tackles. (Which is why I wasn't the least bit enamored of Eric Kendricks - same type of player.) Dude never went in and got the tackles, especially impact tackles like TFL and sacks. Sub-mediocre in taking on blocks. (Which is also why I really liked Zach Vigil in that that dude would absolutely go right into an offensive lineman, stand him up and rip right off the block to make the impact play behind the los.)

So, anyway, there you go...

You use a lot of words. I wish that your football knowledge reached the same volune.

pugsnotdrugs19 · 08-16-2015, 01:10 PM

Dee Ford is the one I can't figure out.

I can't tell if he just needs to get better with his hands, or if he simply isn't strong enough, but he gets moved and latched onto far too easily. Flashes a great speed rush from time to time, but needs to add more to his skill set. Moses looked like a better #3 OLB option last night.

Sully · 08-16-2015, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Dee Ford is the one I can't figure out.

I can't tell if he just needs to get better with his hands, or if he simply isn't strong enough, but he gets moved and latched onto far too easily. Flashes a great speed rush from time to time, but needs to add more to his skill set. Moses looked like a better #3 OLB option last night.

Coming out, I remember reports said he had trouble converting speed to power. That's an issue with hips and body angle.

jonzie04 · 08-16-2015, 01:14 PM

Fangupo and Moses both looked really solid. I had no idea Moses was that quick. There was one play in particular where Moses and Ford both timed the snap perfectly and they were both damn near at the QB before any of the o lineman even took a step. That was the play where ford missed the tackle on the QB.

There was another play where Fangupo was lined up as a shade and he beat the c across his face and took him down and effectively took out the cutback lane, and Moses fought off a drive block and blew the running back up in the backfield.

Then the next play fangupo was lined up at 0 they ran through the a gap, fangupo stood the center up, got an arm on the ball carrier and then threw the center to the ground like a small child. Wilson Did a nice job with the read, filling the gap, and making the tackle. Also Nick Williams was lined up at 3 he did a nice job fighting across the face of the guard and getting in on the tackle, think it was a 2-3 yard gain.

I was also impressed by Tyvon Branch, he looked good in run support and in man coverage.

Hali also looked great. I'm really happy we were able to bring him back at a discount.

O.city · 08-16-2015, 01:18 PM

Djln was a big fanguopo fan. He looked pretty legit

pugsnotdrugs19 · 08-16-2015, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Sully

Coming out, I remember reports said he had trouble converting speed to power. That's an issue with hips and body angle.

Speed to power, so crucial. What Justin Houston does best, Hali great as well. Ford has to figure it out quick.

08-15-2015, 10:22 PM
Sully It Goes On Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Lees Summit Casino cash: $10026331	4 things... Chase Daniel is fun to watch. My favorite Tiger ever, and he just makes plays. Not calling for him to start by any means. I just enjoy his success. Ramik Wilson surprised me tonight. I like him, but thought he had a steep learning curve to contribute. He may not. Eric Fisher looked good. Other than the one hold, he was flawless. This one hurts. I don't want to be this guy, and I hope I'm wrong, but... Dee Ford is a bust. In the run game, he cannot get off a block to save his life. He's obviously big and strong enough for the position, but he has no power. Just a block magnet. In the pass game, he's got elite speed, but he can't turn the corner. He gets washed past the Q every time. It's something that can be taught... but he isn't even attempting to get a good lean at this point.
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jonzie04 MVP Join Date: Feb 2014 Casino cash: $5716817	Fangupo and Moses both looked really solid. I had no idea Moses was that quick. There was one play in particular where Moses and Ford both timed the snap perfectly and they were both damn near at the QB before any of the o lineman even took a step. That was the play where ford missed the tackle on the QB. There was another play where Fangupo was lined up as a shade and he beat the c across his face and took him down and effectively took out the cutback lane, and Moses fought off a drive block and blew the running back up in the backfield. Then the next play fangupo was lined up at 0 they ran through the a gap, fangupo stood the center up, got an arm on the ball carrier and then threw the center to the ground like a small child. Wilson Did a nice job with the read, filling the gap, and making the tackle. Also Nick Williams was lined up at 3 he did a nice job fighting across the face of the guard and getting in on the tackle, think it was a 2-3 yard gain. I was also impressed by Tyvon Branch, he looked good in run support and in man coverage. Hali also looked great. I'm really happy we were able to bring him back at a discount. __________________ 2015 Adopt A chief : Marcus Peters Last edited by jonzie04; 08-16-2015 at 01:20 PM..
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