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Hammock Parties · 03-01-2009, 05:06 AM

WOW! EPIC FAIL! I LOVE IT!

Broncos blow call on Cutler fiasco

The Broncos have lost quarterback Jay Cutler.

If Josh McDaniels and Brian Xanders were thinking, even for a microsecond, about trading Jay Cutler, both must be fired today by Pat Bowlen. If the Broncos' owner was a co-conspirator in such a preposterous, outrageous thought, he should fire himself.

Do not suffer the fools gladly. They obviously know not what they do.

The Broncos' new hierarchy has lost Cutler's respect, his excitement about free agents just signed, his enthusiasm for a restructured offense and a totally retooled defense, his commitment to the team, his determination to make the Broncos a power again in the NFL and his efforts to prove his value. He has lost the certainty of being in Denver.

"I'm upset. I mean, I'm really shocked at this point," Cutler told The Post's Mike Klis on Saturday afternoon. The quarterback then said he didn't think the matter was settled, and he could still be traded.

The Pro Bowl quarterback wasn't any more stunned than everyone else in Colorado and throughout the nation when it was reported Saturday that his name was mentioned prominently — front and center — in a trade involving the Tampa Bay Bucs, the New England Patriots, the Detroit Lions, No. 1 draft choices and Matt Cassel.

The last time we heard of such an extreme, ludicrous deal, the Broncos got John Elway for a No. 1 draft pick, a reserve quarterback and three exhibition games between Denver and Baltimore. (Really). But the Broncos were on the right side then.

This is the wrong message, wrong time, wrong thought, wrong men at the wheel.

McDaniels admitted the Broncos have been approached about trading Cutler, but said the quarterback was "not the only person in the last few days we've received calls on." We don't care if somebody called about a backup defensive end.

All the new coach should have said was: "We were asked about Cutler. We responded that under no conditions, in no uncertain terms, would we even ever talk about trading Cutler."

Maybe there is, after all, a problem with being a young, inexperienced head coach.

Or maybe McDaniels was contemplating a trade of Cutler for Cassel, who had a very good year with the New Eng- land Patriots, but could be a one-year wonder.

If the Patriots had talked about Tom Brady for Cutler, well . . . but there would be no reason for the Broncos to talk to Tampa Bay about anything. And if the Detroit Lions wanted to talk about giving up their entire draft, including the No. 1 pick, for Cutler, then you listen.

And where is the new general manager — reading his X-files? Xanders, who has been slow to figure out his job, should have been on the phones Saturday afternoon to The Post denying that the Broncos would ever think about trading Cutler, and on the phone to Cutler apologizing for any misconceptions and begging for forgiveness. But the X-Man's on-the-job training apparently didn't prepare him for complicated situations.

And what did Bowlen know and when? The owner claims the responsibility for the Broncos runs to the top. He should have been providing explanations, not hiding behind a desk like Nixon.

This is a total mucked-up mess, and the Broncos' brass didn't know how to handle it.

Oh, it can and should be said that Cutler is a petulant sort who pouts when he doesn't get his way — on the field and in the community, and he can be a lout. He has to realize this is the NFL, and stuff will happen. He was all hot and bothered when Mike Shanahan and his guide, Jeremy Bates, were flipped aside for McDaniels and The Brave New Direction. But Cutler supposedly got over it and moved on. Peyton Manning will be playing for his third coach. Joe Montana was kicked out the door. Hall of Fame quarterbacks have been traded.

Then, there was the matter of Elway. After the '91 season, then-coach Dan Reeves wanted to get rid of Elway. He told me and others that Elway couldn't or wouldn't read defenses and couldn't or wouldn't win a Super Bowl.

Elway and Reeves weren't on the same page, not in the same universe. They barely coexisted.

A deal with the Redskins fell through during the summer. Bowlen chose Elway over Reeves and fired the coach. Elway eventually won two Super Bowls.

Cutler is in Elway's shadow, but not in his standing yet, and likely will never be. Defensive backs and his ego get in the way of too many of Cutler's passes. But he is a quality young quarterback and the class of 2006. Rather have Vince Young or Matt Leinart now? And Cassel is a sand castle in comparison.

Cutler shouldn't be traded. When somebody calls about Jay, Kid Mac or the X-Man should hang up.

And the face of your franchise should not be treated like ground beef. McDaniels, who must be running the team, not Xanders or Bowlen, should have gone to Cutler's house and said: "Jay, Tampa Bay, Detroit and New England came to us, and I told them to go spit in their helmets. You're my guy."

Or maybe McDaniels was lying when he told me: "I hope Jay is as excited about playing for me as I am excited about having him as my quarterback."

McDaniels must get this predicament settled today. We don't really care if the Broncos signed a couple of backup running backs and a veteran (maybe too veteran) safety with a proud past and a — be still, our hearts — a long snapper to a three-year contract. This team starts and stops with Cutler.

What were they thinking? They weren't thinking. The Broncos need to go find Jay Cutler.

orange · 03-01-2009, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by GonzoRox88

You can usually find him over in DC, but you have to put on a pair of waders and a bird-flu mask to come outta there disease-free.

I keep mine right next to the desk here for easy access.

**alanm** · 03-01-2009, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

LOL, well it's true..not to mention Cutler looks like he has the personality and desire of a wet towel for all his talent I'm not sure you can ever win with your team leader having that personality.

Every time I see the guy he looks like he's perpetually stoned.

googlegoogle · 03-01-2009, 01:56 PM

This all stems from the new head coach there.

A new system causes the domino's to fall. I bet he loves Cassel. And doesn't care for huge arm strength in their new offensive system.

BradyFTW! · 03-01-2009, 01:56 PM

Any team that's willing to bend over backwards to accommodate the whims of an immature, mistake-prone QB needs to get its head out of its ass. IMO McDaniels should have just said "yeah, I considered trading you. If you want to be mad about it, prove that I was wrong by not throwing 18 interceptions next year." If the players were really ready to stage a revolt, then **** em. You don't establish a winning culture by letting the players undermine the coach, and nobody on the Broncos' roster is good enough that that's worth putting up with anyways. They finished 8-8 last year and got absolutely crushed by McDaniels' old team, so it's not like they know something that he doesn't.

JuicesFlowing · 03-01-2009, 02:18 PM

All newspaper reporters are brilliant. They are qualified to be GMs, that's why they write for newspapers.

Mile High Mania · 03-01-2009, 02:28 PM

I have tired head reading all this stuff... all I can do is hope for it blows over, they play nice and kick ass in 2009 and beyond.

Cutler is a nice QB and makes some great plays.

The KC LB was paying respects to Easy Ed McCaffery...

Chiefshrink · 03-01-2009, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by wild1

well, the thrust of this whole situation is this. Cutler does not yet have the maturity to be a professional in this league. Here is a guy who probably coasted in high school, and at Vandy, just on talent. He gets to the NFL and has a coach who is gaga over him and he's the golden boy his entire life up until yesterday. Yesterday, he gets a dose of the real world and that football is a business, and now he's throwing a temper tantrum.

We see them on the field from him, now we see it here too. Whomever coaches him next needs to work not only on coaching him as a QB but also as a man.

You nailed it !!!! Here is my reply to Sandy Clough a sports talk show guy here in Denver on in the afternoons at 104.3 The Fan from 3-7.

A former shrink's perspective:

Cutler's physical ability is the best in the NFL IMO. The kid just needs to 'grow up' and get mentally tough and realize he is not the center of the universe himself and that his team comes first by him being a true leader of sacrifice therefore becoming that centerpiece he covets. He just hasn't figured this out yet.

I don't think Bowlen will let that happen - trading Cutler that is. I get your point about the trust part and why you think he MUST be traded now out of a weaker position.

But here me out on this one; if Cutler's emotional maturity level was well beyond his years then I agree he must be traded because a mature person sees through the BS if that is what is really going on here.

But because I was a "shrink" for 15yrs prior to what I am doing now, I really feel that Josh could repair this relationship soley based on Jay's extreme narcissism(emotional immaturity) not being able to see through all the BS because Jay's eyes have always been on himself(and moreso now) and because of his emotional immaturity(extreme narcissism) Jay can't come to grips that HIS new coach doesn't want him and thus makes it easier for Josh to recieve a pass and all is well(whether it was due to rookie GM issues or truly really wanting to trade him or trying to send a "grow up" message).

This might well be a true blessing in disquise that forces Cutler and McDaniel to grow up NOW!!! and will motivate Cutler to play 'lights out'.

You watch this will be patched up in no time at all due to Jay's extreme narcissism that Josh will take advantage of IMO.

Mile High Mania · 03-01-2009, 02:53 PM

I mentioned yesterday that while this is a bag of hell now... this could be better for them in the long run, if Jay and McDaniels do it right. Jay has never really feared his role on the team... it's obvious that isn't the case now. So, even if they never were going to trade him... he and everyone else knows that everyone has a chance of being replaced.

They have a partially fractured relationship to start off, so there's nowhere to go but up really... and I think they can easily make that happen. Jay mentioned as much yesterday.

bowener · 03-01-2009, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Lost in all this..

There must be something about Cutler that Mcdaniels does not like? Hmmmm

I KNOW WHAT IT IS!!!11!

McDaniels is scared it will rub off on him.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 03-01-2009, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Claythan

Carl Peterson was never this inept.

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Originally Posted by Claythan

I FIRED MIKE SHANAHAN

This has got to be the best day for a Bronco hater in recent memory. I mean Shanahan's firing was beautiful, but this is just icing on the cake. They are quickly descending to Raiders status.

Mile High Mania · 03-01-2009, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

This has got to be the best day for a Bronco hater in recent memory. I mean Shanahan's firing was beautiful, but this is just icing on the cake. They are quickly descending to Raiders status.

Enh, by the time training camp rolls around, everything will be good... Jay will still be the QB in Denver and they'll be moving in the right direction.

FAX · 03-01-2009, 03:32 PM

Well, all I have to say is that I don't necessarily wish the goats ill. I wish them ill plus several additional incurable diseases of the crotch. To think that the national media are calling for a firing of their head coach couldn't be more hilarious. Poor goats.

As for Cutler, it's good to see him handling this incorrectly although I wouldn't have expected anything different. With any luck, this animosity will spread throughout the entire organization and persist for years. You go, girl.

FAX

BigChiefFan · 03-01-2009, 03:34 PM

Wow, the implosion has already begun.

**the Talking Can** · 03-01-2009, 03:36 PM

Denver's coach wants KC's QB.

ha ha

Mile High Mania · 03-01-2009, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by FAX

Well, all I have to say is that I don't necessarily wish the goats ill. I wish them ill plus several additional incurable diseases of the crotch. To think that the national media are calling for a firing of their head coach couldn't be more hilarious. Poor goats.

As for Cutler, it's good to see him handling this incorrectly although I wouldn't have expected anything different. With any luck, this animosity will spread throughout the entire organization and persist for years. You go, girl.

FAX

It's Woody Paige... he likes to stir the pot.

03-01-2009, 05:06 AM
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $4130478	Woody Paige says McDaniels and Xanders should be fired in Denver WOW! EPIC FAIL! I LOVE IT! Broncos blow call on Cutler fiasco The Broncos have lost quarterback Jay Cutler. If Josh McDaniels and Brian Xanders were thinking, even for a microsecond, about trading Jay Cutler, both must be fired today by Pat Bowlen. If the Broncos' owner was a co-conspirator in such a preposterous, outrageous thought, he should fire himself. Do not suffer the fools gladly. They obviously know not what they do. The Broncos' new hierarchy has lost Cutler's respect, his excitement about free agents just signed, his enthusiasm for a restructured offense and a totally retooled defense, his commitment to the team, his determination to make the Broncos a power again in the NFL and his efforts to prove his value. He has lost the certainty of being in Denver. "I'm upset. I mean, I'm really shocked at this point," Cutler told The Post's Mike Klis on Saturday afternoon. The quarterback then said he didn't think the matter was settled, and he could still be traded. The Pro Bowl quarterback wasn't any more stunned than everyone else in Colorado and throughout the nation when it was reported Saturday that his name was mentioned prominently — front and center — in a trade involving the Tampa Bay Bucs, the New England Patriots, the Detroit Lions, No. 1 draft choices and Matt Cassel. The last time we heard of such an extreme, ludicrous deal, the Broncos got John Elway for a No. 1 draft pick, a reserve quarterback and three exhibition games between Denver and Baltimore. (Really). But the Broncos were on the right side then. This is the wrong message, wrong time, wrong thought, wrong men at the wheel. McDaniels admitted the Broncos have been approached about trading Cutler, but said the quarterback was "not the only person in the last few days we've received calls on." We don't care if somebody called about a backup defensive end. All the new coach should have said was: "We were asked about Cutler. We responded that under no conditions, in no uncertain terms, would we even ever talk about trading Cutler." Maybe there is, after all, a problem with being a young, inexperienced head coach. Or maybe McDaniels was contemplating a trade of Cutler for Cassel, who had a very good year with the New Eng- land Patriots, but could be a one-year wonder. If the Patriots had talked about Tom Brady for Cutler, well . . . but there would be no reason for the Broncos to talk to Tampa Bay about anything. And if the Detroit Lions wanted to talk about giving up their entire draft, including the No. 1 pick, for Cutler, then you listen. And where is the new general manager — reading his X-files? Xanders, who has been slow to figure out his job, should have been on the phones Saturday afternoon to The Post denying that the Broncos would ever think about trading Cutler, and on the phone to Cutler apologizing for any misconceptions and begging for forgiveness. But the X-Man's on-the-job training apparently didn't prepare him for complicated situations. And what did Bowlen know and when? The owner claims the responsibility for the Broncos runs to the top. He should have been providing explanations, not hiding behind a desk like Nixon. This is a total mucked-up mess, and the Broncos' brass didn't know how to handle it. Oh, it can and should be said that Cutler is a petulant sort who pouts when he doesn't get his way — on the field and in the community, and he can be a lout. He has to realize this is the NFL, and stuff will happen. He was all hot and bothered when Mike Shanahan and his guide, Jeremy Bates, were flipped aside for McDaniels and The Brave New Direction. But Cutler supposedly got over it and moved on. Peyton Manning will be playing for his third coach. Joe Montana was kicked out the door. Hall of Fame quarterbacks have been traded. Then, there was the matter of Elway. After the '91 season, then-coach Dan Reeves wanted to get rid of Elway. He told me and others that Elway couldn't or wouldn't read defenses and couldn't or wouldn't win a Super Bowl. Elway and Reeves weren't on the same page, not in the same universe. They barely coexisted. A deal with the Redskins fell through during the summer. Bowlen chose Elway over Reeves and fired the coach. Elway eventually won two Super Bowls. Cutler is in Elway's shadow, but not in his standing yet, and likely will never be. Defensive backs and his ego get in the way of too many of Cutler's passes. But he is a quality young quarterback and the class of 2006. Rather have Vince Young or Matt Leinart now? And Cassel is a sand castle in comparison. Cutler shouldn't be traded. When somebody calls about Jay, Kid Mac or the X-Man should hang up. And the face of your franchise should not be treated like ground beef. McDaniels, who must be running the team, not Xanders or Bowlen, should have gone to Cutler's house and said: "Jay, Tampa Bay, Detroit and New England came to us, and I told them to go spit in their helmets. You're my guy." Or maybe McDaniels was lying when he told me: "I hope Jay is as excited about playing for me as I am excited about having him as my quarterback." McDaniels must get this predicament settled today. We don't really care if the Broncos signed a couple of backup running backs and a veteran (maybe too veteran) safety with a proud past and a — be still, our hearts — a long snapper to a three-year contract. This team starts and stops with Cutler. What were they thinking? They weren't thinking. The Broncos need to go find Jay Cutler.
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googlegoogle Banned Join Date: Nov 2008 Casino cash: $10004900	This all stems from the new head coach there. A new system causes the domino's to fall. I bet he loves Cassel. And doesn't care for huge arm strength in their new offensive system.
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BradyFTW! Starter Join Date: Feb 2009 Casino cash: $10004900	Any team that's willing to bend over backwards to accommodate the whims of an immature, mistake-prone QB needs to get its head out of its ass. IMO McDaniels should have just said "yeah, I considered trading you. If you want to be mad about it, prove that I was wrong by not throwing 18 interceptions next year." If the players were really ready to stage a revolt, then **** em. You don't establish a winning culture by letting the players undermine the coach, and nobody on the Broncos' roster is good enough that that's worth putting up with anyways. They finished 8-8 last year and got absolutely crushed by McDaniels' old team, so it's not like they know something that he doesn't.
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Mile High Mania #triggering Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Tejas Casino cash: $3257229	I have tired head reading all this stuff... all I can do is hope for it blows over, they play nice and kick ass in 2009 and beyond. Cutler is a nice QB and makes some great plays. The KC LB was paying respects to Easy Ed McCaffery... __________________
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03-01-2009, 02:53 PM	#83
Mile High Mania #triggering Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Tejas Casino cash: $3257229	I mentioned yesterday that while this is a bag of hell now... this could be better for them in the long run, if Jay and McDaniels do it right. Jay has never really feared his role on the team... it's obvious that isn't the case now. So, even if they never were going to trade him... he and everyone else knows that everyone has a chance of being replaced. They have a partially fractured relationship to start off, so there's nowhere to go but up really... and I think they can easily make that happen. Jay mentioned as much yesterday. __________________
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03-01-2009, 03:32 PM	#87
FAX testing ... 1, 2, 3 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Tennessee Casino cash: $6753759	Well, all I have to say is that I don't necessarily wish the goats ill. I wish them ill plus several additional incurable diseases of the crotch. To think that the national media are calling for a firing of their head coach couldn't be more hilarious. Poor goats. As for Cutler, it's good to see him handling this incorrectly although I wouldn't have expected anything different. With any luck, this animosity will spread throughout the entire organization and persist for years. You go, girl. FAX
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