So what becomes of Trent Green? - Page 6

Deberg_1990 · 01-01-2006, 04:40 PM

If we bring in a new coach with a new offensive philosophy does that mean that Trent will leave? Hes never played in any other system but this one. Would he be as good in a different offensive system?? Something else to ponder over........

**007** · 01-01-2006, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by gochiefs

Er, might want to check that again.

BTW, what are the chances of Norv Turner being our new OC? He's a bad head coach, but a wonderful OC and he knows Trent personally.

Now I really like that idea. ESPN reports Turner may be out soon too. Like that was a surprise.

whoman69 · 01-01-2006, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by chappy

anyone think trent green would be a nice coach for us in the future?

Not really, too nice a guy.

Deberg_1990 · 01-01-2006, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by kcchiefsguru

Now I really like that idea. ESPN reports Turner may be out soon too. Like that was a surprise.

Me too, ive been on that bandwagon for awhile. Hes a hell of a O-Coordinator and basically the one who discovered Green.

Mama Hip Rockets · 01-01-2006, 08:06 PM

trent green is awesome.

Logical · 01-01-2006, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyV13

Vlad, your "realism" is a little myopic. Does Peyton Manning need to worry about having a "bad" year b/c his TD passes "precipitously" fell off from 49 last season?

What you are ignoring is scoring and offense were way up last year because of the rule enforcement differences with pass intereference. This season, however, defenses have adjusted and offenses are down league-wide. For example....the Colts only scored 439 points on offense, a drop-off very similar to KC. Yardage totals are down too.

Not true for us we actually only scored 1 point different last year than we did the year before. The pass interference rules did not help us.

Hammock Parties · 01-01-2006, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Vlad Logicslav

The pass interference rules did not help us.

Is that why Green's yards shot up by 500 and Eddie Kennison suddenly posted 1,000 yards for the first time ever? Not to mention 8 TDs.

Even more glaring was the increase in Green's passing percentage.

Logical · 01-01-2006, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by gochiefs

Is that why Green's yards shot up by 500 and Eddie Kennison suddenly posted 1,000 yards for the first time ever? Not to mention 8 TDs.

Even more glaring was the increase in Green's passing percentage.

Keep up we have been talking scoring. If you will note we are first in yardage this year yet we scored 80 points less.

GoDickGo · 01-01-2006, 08:14 PM

so did they name the new HC yet?

JohnnyV13 · 01-02-2006, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Vlad Logicslav

Not true for us we actually only scored 1 point different last year than we did the year before. The pass interference rules did not help us.

Sure they helped us. In 03 we had a healthy priest holmes who worked his red zone magic. In 04 we lost the best red zone back in the NFL for half the season. This injury hurt our scoring efficiency. LJ came in, and played well, but he only had 4 or 5 starts. AND, he wasn't as good in the red zone as he later became.

Yet, we scored about the same despite this loss. Why? Because the passing game picked up considerably.

Add Roaf's injury and the leaguewide downward trend in offenses, and you get why our scoring is off.

Logical · 01-02-2006, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyV13

Sure they helped us. In 03 we had a healthy priest holmes who worked his red zone magic. In 04 we lost the best red zone back in the NFL for half the season. This injury hurt our scoring efficiency. LJ came in, and played well, but he only had 4 or 5 starts. AND, he wasn't as good in the red zone as he later became.

Yet, we scored about the same despite this loss. Why? Because the passing game picked up considerably.

Add Roaf's injury and the leaguewide downward trend in offenses, and you get why our scoring is off.

Sorry but that just is not true. Only 29 rushing TDs for the Chiefs in 2003, 31 in 2004 so we had more rushing TDs last year than we did in 2003.

Tinlar · 01-02-2006, 12:27 AM

If someone comes in here and starts jacking with the very core of our Offense to try to fix our playoff problem I'm putting a Jihad on him.

philfree · 01-02-2006, 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

If we bring in a new coach with a new offensive philosophy does that mean that Trent will leave? Hes never played in any other system but this one. Would he be as good in a different offensive system?? Something else to ponder over........

I can't imagine Carl changing the O since we've been pretty much the best in the league over the last four years and Trent is the best QB Carl has ever had. I can see a situation like the one in Indy where the kept the O and brought in a D minded HC. Of course it did take Dungy 4 years to get his D off the ground. I'll be very upset of if they screw up the last few years of Greens career by making dumb changes.

PhilFree

JohnnyV13 · 01-02-2006, 03:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Vlad Logicslav

Sorry but that just is not true. Only 29 rushing TDs for the Chiefs in 2003, 31 in 2004 so we had more rushing TDs last year than we did in 2003.

Vlad, that's just the raw number. What's the red zone efficiency? I'll bet you anything its down in 04 vs. 03. Now, if this is the case, then the 31 TDs in 04 occurred b/c the offense was in position more than in 03.

JohnnyV13 · 01-02-2006, 03:37 AM

Further, I did a quick check of the 04 rushing TD's stats, and it seems to bear out my basic thesis.

First 8 games (with Priest)
18 rushing TDs

Last 8 games (without Priest)
13 rushing TDs

That means we were at a 36 rushing TD pace with Priest, and dropped off without him. This trend suggests we would have scored more in 04 had we stayed as healthy as in 03.

And, ta da, what created those shots at the end zone? Seems to me the increased passing yardage.....and yards per pass (both league-wide trends btw) is the explaination.

Logical · 01-02-2006, 03:56 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyV13

Vlad, that's just the raw number. What's the red zone efficiency? I'll bet you anything its down in 04 vs. 03. Now, if this is the case, then the 31 TDs in 04 occurred b/c the offense was in position more than in 03.

I searched to find the stats on that and have not been able to come up with them.

Would this not just point out that our scoring off the passing game fell off since our running TDs were virtually identical all three years?

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JohnnyV13 Veteran Join Date: May 2003 Location: Tucson AZ Casino cash: $6025200	Further, I did a quick check of the 04 rushing TD's stats, and it seems to bear out my basic thesis. First 8 games (with Priest) 18 rushing TDs Last 8 games (without Priest) 13 rushing TDs That means we were at a 36 rushing TD pace with Priest, and dropped off without him. This trend suggests we would have scored more in 04 had we stayed as healthy as in 03. And, ta da, what created those shots at the end zone? Seems to me the increased passing yardage.....and yards per pass (both league-wide trends btw) is the explaination.
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