My opinion of Scott Pioli will be set based on the performance of this draft class.

[Frankie]

These guys better be solid. I don't expect superstars but I expect each and everyone of them to contribute to a serious rapid surge towards being a SB contender.

I AM (as my other thread indicated) a bit concerned about this draft. I admit, part of that feeling is I expected perhaps a sexier or a more thrilling draft.

Another part is perhaps the middle eastern blood in me. It makes me a bit of a wheeler dealer in life and as such I really get excited about my favorite team engage in it. I envied Dallas under Jones and Johnson on draft days while I got frustrated with Peterson.

I expected pioli to rape some lesser GM out of their draft picks, move up and down the board and build up a cashe of future picks. While Belichick did this again, Pioli - at least it seems for now - got concervative and forced his picks (ala Carl Peterson). OK, I really didn't expect that dynamic a draft day as I realize that Belichik had more ammunition to do this with. But zero?! Nada?! Zilch?! I really liked Tyson Jackson, but he was not the only one I liked. Maybe we chould have made a trade with the Jets and if Pioli is the genius that every one says he is he could have squeezed a better deal from then than Cleveland did.

I also cannot understand why everything is forced toward a 3-4 or bust. Nothing's wrong with 4-3, especially if we already have accumulated some viable personnel for it. Why not use our picks toward improving on our 4-3 personnel and also address some glaring needs. And please don't give me the bullshit about we need EVERYTHING! That's a cop out and the first poster who plays that card will earn himself (or herself) a nice neg-rep. Fact is we seemed to run behind, throughout the draft, after our first pick. Maybe our lack of a 2nd caused that. But I do wonder if we had picked Maualuga for example with a 2nd whether we would have had a course adjustment and could have run into better prospects before they were picked ahead of us.

But those are the breaks. I am not unhappy with having the 2nd spent on Cassel. But he also better pan out big. In short, if Cassel and the rest of our draftees put my mind at ease, I'm prepared to become a Pioli groupy and bow to his genius like the rest of you are with blind faith. NOT BEFORE! If the selectees cause this team to lose even one year of recovery, I will brand Pioli another pig-headed clone of Carl Peterson who sacrificed our roster for a system. Bottom line, Pioli will be either a god of football or a total loser in my eyes after next season. No shades of gray in this for me.

[luv]

All of them? When's the last time a team had their draft picks all fan out well?

[Molitoth]

Originally Posted by Frankie

No moron, I'm giving Pioli 1 year to prove to me these picks are viable stones to build a championship team. And since he is making major alterations without cause I want him to place the team in the exact same progress stage that this team would have been had he not used the picks for a system switch. IMO keeping 4-3 and using the picks well on a RDE, A center and a RT and a 4-3 Lb would have put this team in a position to at least give SD a good challenge for the division. That's where we should be next year. I want accelerated performance from these picks because I feel the switch is causing us a year of delay in our comeback.

Is it that difficult for some of you to read simple English and get it?

Funny, I thought winning the SuperBowl was the ultimate goal of an NFL team, not just winning the division this year in the shitty AFC west.

You should've applied for the Chiefs GM position when it came open, maybe you could be leading this team to a successful 8-8 division championship this year.

Oh, I forgot about the Non-cause to use a system switch. The 4-3 Cover 2 was working SOOOOO well.... all we were missing was a new Linebacker (Curry?).

You have dug yourself a giant hole in this thread, good luck getting out. I'm glad you're just an armchair QB posting shitty insight on a messageboard and we have a proven winner to GM the team.

[Frankie]

Originally Posted by Molitoth

Funny, I thought winning the SuperBowl was the ultimate goal of an NFL team, not just winning the division this year in the shitty AFC west.

I did not mention winning the Superbowl in one year. Did I?

Originally Posted by Molitoth

Oh, I forgot about the Non-cause to use a system switch. The 4-3 Cover 2 was working SOOOOO well.... all we were missing was a new Linebacker (Curry?).

Marty's 4-3 worked rather well for a good long time. 4-3 does not have to be cover 2.

Originally Posted by Molitoth

You have dug yourself a giant hole in this thread, good luck getting out. I'm glad you're just an armchair QB posting shitty insight on a messageboard and we have a proven winner to GM the team.

The hole was dug by the zealots of the Pioli religion. Not me. I made a good point and voiced a lrgitimate concern. I have listened to the opposing view, albeit only a few from "thinking" posters. But I stand by my view. I have to observe these draftees in action to say "Aha, I was wrong," at which point I will annoit Pioli the genius you are all accepting without question. Or, depending on the said performances, I will form a permanent opinion that Pioli is CP.2. Until then Pioli is not "a proven winner."

And btw:

We are all armchair QBs my friend. We are also fans. This fan has had it with wholesale changes to this team every few years.

[MahiMike]

I agree (mostly) with this post. I was looking for fireworks and got sparklers. Hopefully, Pioli is right on Jackson and the "experts" are not. I think he was stuck at #3 and took his guy regardless of value. Also, since the rumor was that several teams were going 3-4, he made sure he got the best player for the system.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Frankie

Marty's 4-3 worked rather well for a good long time. 4-3 does not have to be cover 2.

Marty's 3-4 worked pretty good too.

Amazing what Derrick Thomas can do for a defense, huh?

[Frankie]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Marty's 3-4 worked pretty good too.

Amazing what Derrick Thomas can do for a defense, huh?

Correct.

[buddha]

The change to the 3-4 has to happen NOW. Pull the band-aid off all at once. What's the alternative? Let's wait until we get to 8-8 and THEN switch to a defense we don't have the players for? No. That really would be a stupid way to transition.

Personally, I don't think the scheme matters nearly as much as the personnel. However, if a staff STRONGLY believes in a particular scheme and they really know how to coach it, then they should use it. It's pretty simple.

Pioli and his front office are bright guys. I don't care if the Frankies of the world get that or not. At some point, who cares?

I will say this...some of the people on this board would rather be right than see the Chiefs succeed.

KC doesn't need immediate help at QB or punter. As for the other positions on the field, I don't see any future hall of famers, so upgrades are welcome.

[wild1]

Funny, my opinion of Scott Pioli will be based on whether the team improves or not.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by buddha

The change to the 3-4 has to happen NOW. Pull the band-aid off all at once. What's the alternative? Let's wait until we get to 8-8 and THEN switch to a defense we don't have the players for? No. That really would be a stupid way to transition.

I agree.

[chiefsfan1963]

CP had 20 years as GM pioli is just getting started. Give him a couple of drafts before you pull the plug. Belichek has been in NE for 10 plus seasons. It has taken him awhile to built what he has. Pioli will position KC in the same manner in 3 years.
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[chiefsfan1963]

Pioli and company will find and develop talent where no one is expecting. He is positioning KC for a better draft in 2010. 3 picks on the 1st day. I will be surprised if we win more than 7 games this year with the new regime. But this would be progress given the last 2 seasons.
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[Messier]

We're already into month 4 of his five year plan! Nothing has happened yet!

[Frankie]

Originally Posted by buddha

The change to the 3-4 has to happen NOW.

Why? Why can't it be a gradual?

Originally Posted by buddha

Pioli and his front office are bright guys. I don't care if the Frankies of the world get that or not.

I'm happy you can testify to that. I think they are but I have no access to any airtight evidence like the result of IQ tests, Wonderlic test, or MENSA membership to support that. I'm glad you do.... You do, don't you? If not you are just having BLIND FAITH. I am too reasonable to have blind faith on unproven folks. ERGO,... I will question moves that do not make sense to me. No matter how many neg-reps the sheep give me.

Originally Posted by buddha

I will say this...some of the people on this board would rather be right than see the Chiefs succeed.

I don't know your age, but chances are i've been a loyal fan of this team longer than you've been on this earth. As such I want nothing more than the return of the glory days for the Chiefs. I've had plenty of chances to jump ship. No i do not prefer to be right than see the Chiefs to succeed. Being right or earning approval of the flock here is not winning a Nobel prize. I don't care one way or another.

[Just Passin' By]

Ok, someone please list for me the bonafide stars under 30 years of age that this team had when Pioli came aboard. That will allow us to compare that whopping list to the other teams in the pathetic AFCW to see where the starting points are for the various squads. We can worry about above average, average and below average players later.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Frankie

Why? Why can't it be a gradual?

Because it hampers the player acquisition process.

You're having to fill spots in TWO schemes instead of one, and some of the players you're acquiring would be throw-away in the new scheme anyway.

They're going to suck next year, might as well get something out of it and find out how many of the young guys fit the eventual defense rather than trying to cater to them.