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Old 03-10-2013, 12:44 PM   #1
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I just got done explaining to you: there are 0 starters from that draft.
Tyson Jackson, Ryan Succop, Jovan Belcher.

All three are/were starting caliber players at their positions.

O'Connell and Brown are still usable reserves in the NFL.

Williams, Lawrence, and Magee were total busts.

All of this is not a big screaming deal, until you get to trading the 2nd away for Cassel. Which is clearly where all the hyperemotion against the 2009 draft comes from.

But it's misdirected hostility to take that and scorn the entire collection of players.

We can get pissed because it's not an outstanding draft, and it isn't. But drafts that are just average aren't garbage. They're just average.
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Old 03-10-2013, 12:46 PM   #2
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Tyson Jackson, Ryan Succop, Jovan Belcher.

All three are/were starting caliber players at their positions.
Sorry, no.

Jackson has proven to be a backup caliber player. 30th ranked DE = backup caliber.

Jovan Belcher is ****ing dead and he wasn't even a draft pick.

Ryan Succop was a good pick but clearly the rest of that class is garbage.

I'm glad we got some depth with the #3 pick though.
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Old 03-10-2013, 12:44 PM   #3
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09 an average class? I've heard it all now, haha.
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Pioli was fired, Direckshun.

You can stop defending him.

You lost.
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***** was fired, Direckshun.

You can stop defending him.

You lost.
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Direckshun, Pioli draft troll.
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Jake O'Connell is the worst TE I have ever seen.
Alex Magee washed out after a year as a third round pick.
Matt Cassel was the worst starting QB in the league.
Tyson Jackson is one of the biggest reaches in NFL history.
Javarris Williams and Quinten Lawrence did absolutely nothing in the NFL
Ryan Succop is nothing more than a mediocre NFL kicker.
Brown has played in one? NFL game
Washington wasn't good enough to start for a completely depleted secondary and caught on absolutely nowhere else.

That draft is nothing other than hot garbage. I know you originally gave it a high grade after giving the 2008 draft a ****ing C. That's the only rationale I can muster for why you'd defend such an atrocious pile of shit as that draft.
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Old 03-10-2013, 12:51 PM   #8
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Jake O'Connell is the worst TE I have ever seen.
Lordy. That's laughable.

He's not even the worst TE the Chiefs have had this decade.

This is what I'm talking about. Seriously.

The justifiable angst about the Matt Cassel acquisition gets bled out across any player, acquisition, or coach that wasn't amazing. During the Cassel era, Chiefs fans on CP decided that there was no spectrum between garbage and great. Only that there was great, and anything short of that was automatically garbage.

That's fine, you've got to cope with the Cassel era somehow. It's just not correct.

That's how you get stuff like:

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Javarris Williams and Quinten Lawrence did absolutely nothing in the NFL
Yeah, except both still serve as reserves in the NFL.

And I guess we're supposed to throw out our understanding of team sports going back to third grade and degrade everybody who isn't a stud performer at their position as "absolutely nothing," but that philosophy isn't going to get you very far.
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Yeah, except both still serve as reserves in the NFL.

And I guess we're supposed to throw out our understanding of team sports going back to third grade and degrade everybody who isn't a stud performer at their position as "absolutely nothing," but that philosophy isn't going to get you very far.
Javarris Williams has 6 career rushing yards.

Quinten Lawrence is a DB who has never actually played DB in the NFL.

They are absolutely ****ing nothing. They don't exist, basically.
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Just wait though. We just released a Top 5 RT to make room to draft the Pillsbury Dough Boy at number one overall. That may top the dumbassery from 09.
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I'm trying to figure out how someone who probably has more penalties and drops than catches is a usable TE.
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Name a worse TE on the Chiefs than Jake O'Connell.

Merritt and Allan were totally worthless, but one could at least block and the other had some rudimentary athleticism. O'Connell was a garbage TE in a mid-major conference and only hung around b/c of the Pioli connection.
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Name a worse TE on the Chiefs than Jake O'Connell.

Merritt and Allan were totally worthless, but one could at least block and the other had some rudimentary athleticism. O'Connell was a garbage TE in a mid-major conference and only hung around b/c of the ***** connection.
Ah, yes. Nothing brings out Hamas' never-before-mentioned love for previous TE debacles like his ever-more-intense hatred of Pioli.

Again, it's cool. I get it. Pioli ruined the past four years because he hitched his wagons to a QB disaster. And he deserved to be fired. I'm on board.

But allowing that existential frustration to drive you to pretend like he was the Shit version of Midas is simply incorrect.

It's probably pretty satisfying, though.
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Ah, yes. Nothing brings out Hamas' never-before-mentioned love for previous TE debacles like his ever-more-intense hatred of *****.

Again, it's cool. I get it. ***** ruined the past four years because he hitched his wagons to a QB disaster. And he deserved to be fired. I'm on board.

But allowing that existential frustration to drive you to pretend like he was the Shit version of Midas is simply incorrect.

It's probably pretty satisfying, though.
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