Rick Gosselin's mock draft.

[shakesthecat]

Sorry if this is a repost.
All in all, I think I'd rather trade down, and take Pollack, Spears, or Roth.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...ockdraft1.html

No., team Player Pos. School
1. San Francisco Aaron Rodgers QB California
2. Miami Ronnie Brown HB Auburn
3. Cleveland Braylon Edwards WR Michigan
4. Chicago Carnell Williams HB Auburn
5. Tampa Bay Alex Smith QB Utah
6. Tennessee Antrel Rolle CB Miami
7. Minnesota Mark Clayton WR Oklahoma
8. Arizona Cedric Benson HB Texas
9. Washington Adam Jones CB West Virginia
10. Detroit Derrick Johnson OLB Texas
11. Dallas Demarcus Ware OLB Troy
12. San Diego Erasmus James DE Wisconsin
13. Houston Shawne Merriman DE Maryland
14. Carolina Carlos Rogers CB Auburn
15. Kansas City Troy Williamson WR South Carolina
16. New Orleans Shaun Cody DT Southern California
17. Cincinnati Thomas Davis S Georgia
18. Minnesota Mike Williams WR Southern California
19. St. Louis Jammal Brown OT Oklahoma
20. Dallas Marcus Spears DE LSU
21. Jacksonville David Pollack DE Georgia
22. Baltimore Travis Johnson DT Florida State
23. Seattle Luis Castillo DT Northwestern
24. Green Bay Matt Roth DE Iowa
25. Denver Fabian Washington CB Nebraska
26. N.Y. Jets Alex Barron OT Florida State
27. Atlanta Roddy White WR Alabama-Birmingham
28. San Diego Khalif Barnes OT Washington
29. Indianapolis Brodney Pool S Oklahoma
30. Pittsburgh Marcus Johnson OT Mississippi
31. Philadelphia Heath Miller TE Virginia
32. New England Justin Miller CB Clemson

[go bo]

Originally Posted by Cochise

Reminds me of whoever it was here who used to say your opinion didn't matter if you never played high school football.

"Bet you I can throw a football over those mountains..."

surely you don't mean zach, do you?

[jspchief]

Originally Posted by Big Slick

Want to know who's good at picking this stuff? Here's rankings of the rankers.

http://www.thehuddlereport.com/top100/index.shtml

Good link. Looks like Gosselin isn't as good at mocks as some people thought (and suprisingly to me, Kiper isn't that bad).

[go bo]

Originally Posted by nmt1

Also thought you'd like to see this: CNNSI.
Just in case you don't click on the link, they have Williamson rated 2nd behing Braylon Edwards. He and Edwards are the only WR's who score above 4 in their rating system.

i don't remember...

was williamson one of the guys the chiefs brought in to visit?

http://www.thehuddlereport.com/top100/index.shtml

So Nfl draftcountdown beats out Mel smoke Piper.

Why the hell is the guy from 'ourlads' on every radio station giving their opinion ?

[BigChiefFan]

Originally Posted by Cochise

The guy is the 2nd or 3rd wideout on a lot of boards, what's the BFD if he were picked at #15?

Isn't this the same place that runs for torches and pitchforks when someone with the team says they look for the "best player available"? And here we have people complaining that he wouldn't be the 15th best player in the draft?

He may be the third best wide-out this year, but that doesn't mean he is worthy of the 15th overall pick. Like I said earlier, in last year's draft he's lucky to go in the bottom of the 2nd round. That's not a player I would like to see selected with the 15th overall pick. I can't justify giving a player millions who's entire career consists of 40 some-odd catches his entire collegiate span.

[Chiefnj]

Originally Posted by jspchief

Good link. Looks like Gosselin isn't as good at mocks as some people thought (and suprisingly to me, Kiper isn't that bad).

He didn't look too bad to me.

#1 in top 100 boards
#3 in the draft last year
#4 3 year average of the draft.

[jspchief]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj

He didn't look too bad to me.

#1 in top 100 boards
#3 in the draft last year
#4 3 year average of the draft.

There was one post claiming 90% in mock drafts. He's barely half that good.

I'm not saying he isn't good at it, clearly he is one of the best. It's just that he's not nearly as good at mocks as some had implied. There's a big difference between 90% and 45%.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by buddha

Actually, Rufas...he doesn't suck. He's a damn good receiver and the Chiefs would be fools for not snagging him if he were sitting there at their pick. I don't know anything about the South Carolina receiver, but I would be shocked if we went that direction.

I don't care if Rick got the Larry Johnson pick right or not. I know Rick and he's a bright guy, but he doesn't have a 90% success rate picking which players go to which teams in the first round. Nobody can call it that well!

Mike Williams is the number 1 guy on Kiper's draft board, and before you respond back that Kiper sucks or he's an idiot or whatever, let's just remember who gets paid to do what he does!

Mike Williams dominated in college because he's big.

He doesn't run good routes and he isn't outstanding at any one thing that will make him standout in the NFL (quickness, speed, etc.)

He's not the #1 WR in this draft. He's not even #2 or #3.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by jspchief

There was one post claiming 90% in mock drafts. He's barely half that good.

I'm not saying he isn't good at it, clearly he is one of the best. It's just that he's not nearly as good at mocks as some had implied. There's a big difference between 90% and 45%.

He was 87% on his Top 100 over THREE years AVERAGE.

So sue me. He's still the best in the business.

[Chiefnj]

Originally Posted by jspchief

There was one post claiming 90% in mock drafts. He's barely half that good.

I'm not saying he isn't good at it, clearly he is one of the best. It's just that he's not nearly as good at mocks as some had implied. There's a big difference between 90% and 45%.

The 45 isn't a %, it's a grading system. If you look at 2004 they have a column for M and P. That correlates to the # of correct picks who were drafted in the first round and someone predicting the correct team that drafted that particular player.

The highest anyone got last year was 13 correct players predicted to the team.

[jspchief]

Originally Posted by rufusmaqe

He was 87% on his Top 100 over THREE years AVERAGE.

So sue me. He's still the best in the business.

I'm not trying to bag on you. There's a big difference between top 100 and mock drafts though. You and I could probably get better then 60% in the top 100.

[buddha]

Originally Posted by rufusmaqe

Mike Williams dominated in college because he's big.

He doesn't run good routes and he isn't outstanding at any one thing that will make him standout in the NFL (quickness, speed, etc.)

He's not the #1 WR in this draft. He's not even #2 or #3.

I disagree.

He dominated partly because he was big, but there are plenty of big receivers who didn't do anything approach what Williams did at USC. He was dominant even when the other teams tried to shut him down.

Who does run good routes in college? Braylon Edwards? No. These guys dominate because they are better athletes and know how to adjust to the ball very well.

BTW, Mike Williams has much better hands than Edwards, who most people think is the top WR.

He runs fast enough to be a dominant WR in the NFL. Did you see the looks on the faces of the coaches and GMs who watched his individual workout? They were amazed that a man that size could move as fast and fluidly as he did.

He has Terrell Owens written all over him, except he's bigger than TO and he isn't a head case. Feel free to save these takes, because I think he is as close to a dead-lock cinch to be great in the NFL as there is this year.

[jspchief]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj

The 45 isn't a %, it's a grading system. If you look at 2004 they have a column for M and P. That correlates to the # of correct picks who were drafted in the first round and someone predicting the correct team that drafted that particular player.

The highest anyone got last year was 13 correct players predicted to the team.

Okay, whatever. Was he 90% accurate in the first round? No. That was my only point.

"90% accurate in the first round" is a pretty sensational statement. That makes it sound like he gets 9 out of 10 picks right. Reality is that he comes nowhere near that. Rick Gosselin is the best NFL writer in the country IMO, and THR makes it clear that he's one of the best at projecting drafts. He still isn't 90% accurate in the first round though, or at least not in terms of a mock draft.

I'm not trying to bag on anyone or pick nits. I'm just pointing out that the 90% comment seems to be a bit misleading in relation to mock drafts.

[jspchief]

Originally Posted by rufusmaqe

Mike Williams dominated in college because he's big.

He doesn't run good routes and he isn't outstanding at any one thing that will make him standout in the NFL (quickness, speed, etc.)

He's not the #1 WR in this draft. He's not even #2 or #3.

I agree completely. IMO he'll end up as an undersized TE before too long, much like a more talented Mikhael Ricks.

[Chiefnj]

Originally Posted by jspchief

Okay, whatever. Was he 90% accurate in the first round? No. That was my only point.

"90% accurate in the first round" is a pretty sensational statement. That makes it sound like he gets 9 out of 10 picks right. Reality is that he comes nowhere near that. Rick Gosselin is the best NFL writer in the country IMO, and THR makes it clear that he's one of the best at projecting drafts. He still isn't 90% accurate in the first round though, or at least not in terms of a mock draft.

I'm not trying to bag on anyone or pick nits. I'm just pointing out that the 90% comment seems to be a bit misleading in relation to mock drafts.

I'm not trying to nitpick. I'm just saying that the better draft guys are good at predicting who will go in the top 100 and who will go in the first round, but they are only around 30% when matching the pick to the team.