Chiefs I was impressed with Cassel - Page 6

**petegz28** · 09-09-2012, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Here'e the problem.

Teams that can,, and do, overcome mistakes, have guys that are leaders under center.

Teams that wilt when mistakes are made lack that leadership.

Matt Cassel is a guy falls into the second category.

He lacks the confidence to lead this team when they need it most.

It helps when your defense doesn't open the front door for the other team to score every drive.

milkman · 09-09-2012, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

It helps when your defense doesn't open the front door for the other team to score every drive.

We knew going into this game, without Hali and Flowers, that this defense was going to struggle.

This game had to fall on the offense, and Matty Melt.

When the chips fell, Matty Melt couldn't pick them up.

**petegz28** · 09-09-2012, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

We knew going into this game, without Hali and Flowers, that this defense was going to struggle.

This game had to fall on the offense, and Matty Melt.

When the chips fell, Matty Melt couldn't pick them up.

How so? Did he miss the FG? Did he miss the block that forced the fumble? Did he make Moaki weak arm a very catchable pass? Byt that time we were out of it. WTF was he supposed to do?

Three7s · 09-09-2012, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

We knew going into this game, without Hali and Flowers, that this defense was going to struggle.

This game had to fall on the offense, and Matty Melt.

When the chips fell, Matty Melt couldn't pick them up.

So, you're saying you'd rather lose 48-45, rather than 40-24? Last time I checked it's still a loss. Cassel could've thrown for 550 and 6 TDs and they still lose with that defense.

chiefzilla1501 · 09-09-2012, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Three7s

So, you're saying you'd rather lose 48-45, rather than 40-24? Last time I checked it's still a loss. Cassel could've thrown for 550 and 6 TDs and they still lose with that defense.

In defense of the defense, if there is any after that miserable performance, they also had a few turnovers that put them in a very unfavorable position.

But again, we're not talking about Andrew Luck in his first game. We're talking about Matt Cassel. This isn't the first time his offense has laid a complete goose eggs on consecutive drives. He's single-handedly the biggest reason we lost against Baltimore, if people recall.

HoneyBadger · 09-09-2012, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Three7s

So, you're saying you'd rather lose 48-45, rather than 40-24? Last time I checked it's still a loss. Cassel could've thrown for 550 and 6 TDs and they still lose with that defense.

Bullshit. Tom Brady got his team to the SB with the worst defense in the league. It's not what he did to lose the game, it's what he didn't do to win the game.

**BigMeatballDave** · 09-09-2012, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Here'e the problem.

Teams that can,, and do, overcome mistakes, have guys that are leaders under center.

Teams that wilt when mistakes are made lack that leadership.

Matt Cassel is a guy falls into the second category.

He lacks the confidence to lead this team when they need it most.

Thread over

bricks · 09-09-2012, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Here'e the problem.

Teams that can,, and do, overcome mistakes, have guys that are leaders under center.

Teams that wilt when mistakes are made lack that leadership.

Matt Cassel is a guy falls into the second category.

He lacks the confidence to lead this team when they need it most.

Good post. Thats the message I got out of this game.

*I also think that Matt lacks really important attributes to be a great QB. I mean you talk about a lack of leadership on his part, what I also see is a lack of poise/composure. When you combine the nervousness or the tension with playing under pressure, it usually doesn't bode well for your team. We saw some of that today.

chiefzilla1501 · 09-09-2012, 02:07 PM

The other problem is... it's not like we have the burden of proof to prove that Cassel sucks. Cassel has the burden of proof to prove he's any good.

So yeah, from the get-go... not a horrendous performance by Cassel, but the bar is a LOT higher for him.

RINGLEADER · 09-09-2012, 02:07 PM

Putting aside what was Cassel's fault, I think we have the tools to be a good offense and I think when we get Hali and Flowers and Lewis back we'll obviously be much improved on defense. We just can't put a game into Cassel's hands and expect him to come back from over two scores down. Never will be able to. That's who he is. We all hate it, but I think we showed that we can win with this offense, provided the defense doesn't crap the bed like today. I want to see our defense at full strength before passing judgment.

**petegz28** · 09-09-2012, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by RINGLEADER

Putting aside what was Cassel's fault, I think we have the tools to be a good offense and I think when we get Hali and Flowers and Lewis back we'll obviously be much improved on defense. We just can't put a game into Cassel's hands and expect him to come back from over two scores down. Never will be able to. That's who he is. We all hate it, but I think we showed that we can win with this offense, provided the defense doesn't crap the bed like today. I want to see our defense at full strength before passing judgment.

I think he can come back from 2 scores down, provided the defense keeps the other team from consistently being 2 scores up

tredadda · 09-09-2012, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

I think he can come back from 2 scores down, provided the defense keeps the other team from consistently being 2 scores up

In the four years he has been on this team, how often has he done just that?

**petegz28** · 09-09-2012, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by tredadda

In the four years he has been on this team, how often has he done just that?

I think with what we saw today and our offense this year 2 scores won't be an issue. He kept coming back from being down today didn't he? The defense has to step in at some point.

tredadda · 09-09-2012, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

I think with what we saw today and our offense this year 2 scores won't be an issue. He kept coming back from being down today didn't he? The defense has to step in at some point.

For a half. How many times in the past 4 years has Cassel come from 2 scores down to win it for us, especially against a good team. The defense is just as guilty for the blowout, but what was once a shootout became a blowout and our offense (led by Cassel) did nothing to stop that.

**Lzen** · 09-10-2012, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

I think he can come back from 2 scores down, provided the defense keeps the other team from consistently being 2 scores up

What makes you believe that? Tell us, oh misguided Cassel fan. How many comebacks does Cassel have in his career?

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chiefzilla1501 In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2008 Casino cash: $1764497	The other problem is... it's not like we have the burden of proof to prove that Cassel sucks. Cassel has the burden of proof to prove he's any good. So yeah, from the get-go... not a horrendous performance by Cassel, but the bar is a LOT higher for him.
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RINGLEADER In Search of a Life Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Confusion, USA Casino cash: $8590503	Putting aside what was Cassel's fault, I think we have the tools to be a good offense and I think when we get Hali and Flowers and Lewis back we'll obviously be much improved on defense. We just can't put a game into Cassel's hands and expect him to come back from over two scores down. Never will be able to. That's who he is. We all hate it, but I think we showed that we can win with this offense, provided the defense doesn't crap the bed like today. I want to see our defense at full strength before passing judgment.
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