Chiefs I like Herm's method better... - Page 6

kcbubb · 05-27-2009, 09:24 AM

I would rather play with a bunch of young players and develop them than sign a bunch of old guys if we know that we are going to be bad. Most people seem to believe that the Chiefs are going to be lucky to win six games.

If that is the case, why not look for the next Brandon Carr, Mark Bradley or Mike Cox??? It's hard to find those guys if they don't get a chance to play.

Why are we wasting this valuable playing time on players like Zach Thomas, Mike Vrabel, Mike Goff, and Bobby Engram??? I am sure that they will contribute and play well for the Chiefs at times.

If we were a team that were close to making a playoff run, I would welcome the addition of the older players, but the Chiefs are still developing their roster especially with the change to the 3-4.

If we are going to be bad, I would really rather see Brian Johnston play rather than Vrabel. And I would rather see Quinten Lawrence play rather than Engram.

Or are you one that believes that these older players provide valuable leadership???

**the Talking Can** · 05-27-2009, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb

I really don't see how that is any different from what we had in Carl Peterson.

Get a veteran QB. And sign a bunch of vets to fill your holes. How is that not just like Carl Peterson's strategy for years????

thought is not your specialty, i see....have you even tried to answer your own question?

**DeezNutz** · 05-27-2009, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by tooge

They say Herms methods are unsound

"Unsound methods!" he said.

The horror. The horror.

TheGuardian · 05-27-2009, 03:36 PM

Wow. Talk about dumb.

Who is Zach Thomas going to help? Maybe you should ask Tim Grunhardt, who said that Mike Webster, who was on his last legs and only played in KC for a couple of years, taught him more about playing center than any coach he had.

Zach is going to help whatever player wants to become great. To help him learn how to watch film, how to prepare in the offseason, how to read offenses, how to take proper angles. It's amazing to me that I have read from so many fans that you just "go young and hope the young guy works out". Does anyone live the rest of their lives this way?

"well I'll forgo getting an inspection done on this house. It's new, I just figured I'd buy a new one and well, hope it all works out."

If a young guy can't beat out an old guy, then what does that say? The young guy either isn't ready, or he's not the future at that position. The way Pioli is doing it, is to make sure the best guys are on the field, rather than the youngest/oldest guys are on the field. You do that by filling in weak spots with PROVEN players, then drafting guys that can learn under them. What this does is create a lasting foundation for a team having high quality players.

And I thought kcbubb was dumb for arguing with me on the schematic principles of this defense. Goodness!

**SAUTO** · 05-27-2009, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by FAX

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If he weren't such a fantastic game day coach, I'd say the guy was kind of a failure.

FAX

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

I just spit my drink up m$y nose I was laughing so hardPosted via Mobile Device

the same thing happened to me upon reading faxy's line

Pioli Zombie · 05-27-2009, 08:32 PM

Yes. If I wanted one coach in a clutch end of game situation to make the right decision it would be Herm Edwards. clock management and use of time outs especially.
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**SAUTO** · 05-27-2009, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

Yes. If I wanted one coach in a clutch end of game situation to make the right decision it would be Herm Edwards. clock management and use of time outs especially.
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damn, again? the pop burns

Pioli Zombie · 05-27-2009, 08:45 PM

You play to **** up the game!
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Halfcan · 05-27-2009, 09:05 PM

Clark is going CHEAP this year to replinish the money he coughed up to renovate the stadium.

It would be nice if the Jackson County Tax payers had such a deal.

Just Passin' By · 05-28-2009, 12:15 AM

To illustrate the point about how veterans can help a team, I thought I'd post a passage from an article involving Dawkins and the Broncos:

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But Barrett said there’s certainly still learning going on. For him and the other defensive backs in particular, some of that learning has come from Brian Dawkins.

“I just try to take in little things,” Barrett said. “You don’t even have to ask questions, but through his actions, through his demeanor you can pretty much pick up on a lot of stuff.”

http://blog.denverbroncos.com/denver...kick-off-camp/

Earthling · 05-28-2009, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

To illustrate the point about how veterans can help a team, I thought I'd post a passage from an article involving Dawkins and the Broncos:

http://blog.denverbroncos.com/denver...kick-off-camp/

Yep.

Mecca · 05-28-2009, 01:22 AM

Herm was a shitty coach but the love of veterans is not really a great way to build your team, Vermiel did that and look where it left us.

Just Passin' By · 05-28-2009, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Herm was a shitty coach but the love of veterans is not really a great way to build your team, Vermiel did that and look where it left us.

Yeah, it's really killed the Patriots this decade.

beach tribe · 05-28-2009, 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Herm was a shitty coach but the love of veterans is not really a great way to build your team, Vermiel did that and look where it left us.

It would have been fine if we would have hit on a few draft picks. That's the key to everything. The reason we ended up with no talent, has nothing to do with the fact that we had veteran players. It's because we picked guys like Sims, and Siavii.

Mecca · 05-28-2009, 05:58 AM

They also had 0 long term planning skills, everyone knew alot of those guys could retire at any time and they continued to sink money and picks into the defense.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 05-28-2009, 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

You play to **** up the game!
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You PLAY to win the draft!

View Poll Results: Would you rather play the older guys or look for younger players to contribute?
We need the older guys. They provide valuable leadership.	85	82.52%
We shouldn't have signed the older guys, we should find and develop younger players and let them play.	18	17.48%
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05-27-2009, 09:24 AM
kcbubb Veteran Join Date: Nov 2008 Casino cash: $6056719	I like Herm's method better... I would rather play with a bunch of young players and develop them than sign a bunch of old guys if we know that we are going to be bad. Most people seem to believe that the Chiefs are going to be lucky to win six games. If that is the case, why not look for the next Brandon Carr, Mark Bradley or Mike Cox??? It's hard to find those guys if they don't get a chance to play. Why are we wasting this valuable playing time on players like Zach Thomas, Mike Vrabel, Mike Goff, and Bobby Engram??? I am sure that they will contribute and play well for the Chiefs at times. If we were a team that were close to making a playoff run, I would welcome the addition of the older players, but the Chiefs are still developing their roster especially with the change to the 3-4. If we are going to be bad, I would really rather see Brian Johnston play rather than Vrabel. And I would rather see Quinten Lawrence play rather than Engram. Or are you one that believes that these older players provide valuable leadership???
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05-27-2009, 03:36 PM	#78
TheGuardian MVP Join Date: Mar 2009 Casino cash: $8245299	Wow. Talk about dumb. Who is Zach Thomas going to help? Maybe you should ask Tim Grunhardt, who said that Mike Webster, who was on his last legs and only played in KC for a couple of years, taught him more about playing center than any coach he had. Zach is going to help whatever player wants to become great. To help him learn how to watch film, how to prepare in the offseason, how to read offenses, how to take proper angles. It's amazing to me that I have read from so many fans that you just "go young and hope the young guy works out". Does anyone live the rest of their lives this way? "well I'll forgo getting an inspection done on this house. It's new, I just figured I'd buy a new one and well, hope it all works out." If a young guy can't beat out an old guy, then what does that say? The young guy either isn't ready, or he's not the future at that position. The way Pioli is doing it, is to make sure the best guys are on the field, rather than the youngest/oldest guys are on the field. You do that by filling in weak spots with PROVEN players, then drafting guys that can learn under them. What this does is create a lasting foundation for a team having high quality players. And I thought kcbubb was dumb for arguing with me on the schematic principles of this defense. Goodness!
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Pioli Zombie Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: olathe,kansas Casino cash: $10004900	Yes. If I wanted one coach in a clutch end of game situation to make the right decision it would be Herm Edwards. clock management and use of time outs especially. Posted via Mobile Device
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Pioli Zombie Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: olathe,kansas Casino cash: $10004900	You play to **** up the game! Posted via Mobile Device
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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $2147050	Herm was a shitty coach but the love of veterans is not really a great way to build your team, Vermiel did that and look where it left us.
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05-28-2009, 05:58 AM	#89
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $2147050	They also had 0 long term planning skills, everyone knew alot of those guys could retire at any time and they continued to sink money and picks into the defense.
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