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FIRE GM - DRAFT 1ST RD QB - RESTORE HOPE - SOC 64 42.95%
NEW QB - NEW GM - NEW HOPE - SOC 85 57.05%
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Old 12-19-2012, 09:39 AM  
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Final Banner thread
It just comes down to wording now...

FIRE GM - DRAFT 1ST RD QB - RESTORE HOPE - SOC

NEW QB - NEW GM - NEW HOPE - SOC

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Had to change the first suggestion slightly because the airline guys don't have a # tile.
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Old 12-19-2012, 11:04 AM   #76
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Old 12-19-2012, 11:12 AM   #77
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Old 12-19-2012, 11:16 AM   #78
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Option 2 all the way.

The more detailed you get, the more you sound like asswipe, know-it-all fans.

Stay vague in your demands and you keep more focus on the end game - the "New Hope".

Clark knows the score at this point, as will any football man he brings in to replace Pioli. Don't go getting cute and demanding now.
This.

Its been on record that Clark wants to draft and develop a QB.
This banner will not alter anyone's thoughts.... at the most it will reinforce them.
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Old 12-19-2012, 11:18 AM   #79
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This.

Its been on record that Clark wants to draft and develop a QB.
This banner will not alter anyone's thoughts.... at the most it will reinforce them.
Where is this on record?
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Old 12-19-2012, 11:19 AM   #80
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PRETTY PLEASE, WITH SUGAR ON TOP, REPLACE THE QB AND GM

Would you prefer that?
No, I like the "NEW QB - NEW GM - NEW HOPE" formulation.
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Old 12-19-2012, 11:23 AM   #81
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The slapdicks at 1 Arrowhead aren't djinns granting SOC a wish but interpreting it like a lawyer. They're going to make the pick they want with only marginal concern over fan satisfaction. If they think they have a better chance of winning with Alex Smith than with Geno Smith, they're going with their football instinct no matter what the SOC banner says.

Same goes for "fire Pioli".

Sounds to me that by your logic, we shouldn't be flying any banners. They're all useless.
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Old 12-19-2012, 11:24 AM   #82
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You can't be that naive.

There is a world of difference between "hurting Clark's feelings" and flat out insulting his pride.

Let's not forget that Clark is still a Type A personality with a sizeable ****-off streak. A lot of us on this very board are very similar creatures. If you start preaching at us, we're going to dig in and tell you to get bent.

Would it be a wise decision for Clark to make? No, not at all, but don't think proud men don't make foolish decisions all the time when they have been called out.

Honestly, if you believe the banners in a vacuum are making Clark's decisions for him, then I think you're running a 50/50 gamble on whether or not they push him over the edge or have him dig in his heels.

I personally don't believe the banners are making a difference in a vacuum. Rather I believe the support they are rallying from the press and public is what has truly made the difference. As such, you need to remember your audience and continue to work forward with that in mind.
If "draft a QB" is going to hurt Clark's pride, we hurt his pride with the VERY FIRST BANNER.

The damage is done. Might as well donate the money to charity and move on.
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Old 12-19-2012, 11:25 AM   #83
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If you have a kid and they ask for a first person shooting game, your instant reply is "what's it called, and for what brand" or they tell you specifically. You just don't get them any general gift for Christmas or they'll be very disappointed.
You think of SOC as snot nosed kids asking for xmas presents? I was thinking about them more as a savvy political movement that's trying to generate a groundswell of support for fundamental change.
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Old 12-19-2012, 11:26 AM   #84
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Exactly. You *want* the fans who think Alex Smith would be an acceptable "new QB" to stay on board the SOC movement. If you fracture the fan revolt into factions, everyone loses because SOC becomes ineffective as a voice of the fans. You just have to trust that the new GM will find the right new QB (which in minds of most here is a 1st round draftee).
Most of those fans weren't on board with the SOC movement the minute we started. Go read the ****ing Facebook page.

These fans that would leave because of a "draft a QB" banner simply don't exist.
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Old 12-19-2012, 11:27 AM   #85
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"New GM" is all about job creation, growth, and change. There's no need to directly address the messy background step of telling the old GM to move off the carpet and onto the plastic.
Especially since we ALREADY DID THAT.
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Tired of Banner! Tired of Pioli!

WANT PIOLI GONE! WANT BANNER GONE!
Me too.

I want to rescind my vote.

I think the banners should STOP.

Immediately.
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If "draft a QB" is going to hurt Clark's pride, we hurt his pride with the VERY FIRST BANNER.

The damage is done. Might as well donate the money to charity and move on.
Again - it isn't the banner that is doing the legwork. The banner is a rallying cry for the public to get behind. It's the public that's doing the damage here.

Patteeu is right - this isn't a front office that's parsing our words like lawyers in an attempt to give us what we, the banner demons, want. That has never been the purpose this banner has served.

It's purpose has been as a lightning rod for the public. It's used a deft touch in delivering a message without alienating the masses.

Once we become a big !@#$ing Mel Kiper in the sky, the masses are going to be more turned off by it.

Keep the public on our side here and the way to do that is through focusing on the 'hope' aspect of it and not the demands.
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Same goes for "fire Pioli".

Sounds to me that by your logic, we shouldn't be flying any banners. They're all useless.
None of that makes a bit of sense.
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