Who do you take? - Page 6

ILChief · 12-15-2007, 04:44 PM

Chiefs are on the clock and both Jake Long and Glen Dorsey are both sitting there.

who do you take? (these are the only two choices, no Gaz option)

**Tribal Warfare** · 12-15-2007, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by |Zach|

If Tribal ran this team we wouldn't have one of the lone bright spots this team actually produced.

Dewayne Jarrett would be skulking around our sidelines.

Patrick Willis or D-Bowe were there too, if you want to look it up

ChiefsCountry · 12-15-2007, 08:46 PM

I take Dorsey in a heartbeat. Miami would be foolish not to take him #1.

**The Bad Guy** · 12-15-2007, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by findthedr

He doesnt exactly fit their 3-4 scheme. He wont be a NT, so maybe he can be a 3-4 DE. Dline is a major need of theirs though.

I could see them take either Dorsey or Chris Long.

I bet they take Brian Brohm.

Beck is 27 years old already. I wouldn't put the fate of my franchise in his hands.

Delano · 12-15-2007, 09:04 PM

If the Dolphins showed anything in last year's draft, it is that you can't predict what those crazy bastards will do.

Bill S Preston · 12-15-2007, 09:17 PM

You draft the best player available in this situation. If you don't want to do that, trade down for multiple picks, and draft the position that you want later in the first round. This draft is deep in offensive lineman, and Long is not a Joe Thomas can't miss prospect. Despite what some might say, he IS best suited for RT in the NFL. If you want to spend a top five pick on a RT, solely to draft a position of need, then I think that you would be foolish. Luckily for the Chiefs, drafting in the top five would put you in a great position to snag an elite prospect. Carl Peterson needs to take advantage of this draft to add some great players who can be cornerstones of the franchise for ten plus years. I think that means that you draft BPA, if its Long, so be it. But if Long and Dorsey are both on the board, then the question on who you should draft is a no brainer IMO.

Edit:

Just saw that the Chiefs were drafting 8th. Wow, I didn't realize that you were drafting that low............

Bill S Preston · 12-15-2007, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by findthedr

There are alot of players that would probably make better RT than LT (willie roaf included), but that doesnt mean they cant play LT at a high level in the NFL.

Robert Gallery was also labeled a "cant miss prospect" but he is a bust at tackle, and appears to have found a home at guard.

The chiefs have missed more often at DT than any other position in recent memory, and O line is a greater need for them this yr.

If long holds his own at the Michigan Bowl, and at the Senior Bowl, than the chiefs should draft him if he is available .

If he is the best player available, then I would agree with you. However, if both Dorsey and Long are on the board, I think that it would be foolish to pass on Dorsey just because previous defensive tackles turned out to be busts. I don't know about the Chiefs drafts the last few years, but how have they done drafting offensive lineman?

ILChief · 12-15-2007, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16

Dorsey, no question. Long is projected by many to be a much better RT than a LT. With our 2nd round pick basically being an extension of the 1st round, we can pick up a RT there, most likely. Richardson from Clemson, probably.

Dorsey is too talented to pass up. This should be obvious. I understand the pressing, gigantic need for o-linemen, but you can't pass up on high-quality talent like a Dorsey to take a RT. You just can't. The Chiefs have been bad at the draft for years; taking Long over Dorsey is being bad at the draft. I don't want the Chiefs to be bad at the draft.

I'd be fine with taking Long in round 1 and Richardson in round 2. Our o-line is that crappy. I just don't see Dorsey as this sure fire can't miss prospect. I've watched some LSU games this year and didn't even notice him. He could just as easily be a Ryan Sims as a Richard Seymour.

Ebolapox · 12-15-2007, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ILChief

I'd be fine with taking Long in round 1 and Richardson in round 2. Our o-line is that crappy. I just don't see Dorsey as this sure fire can't miss prospect. I've watched some LSU games this year and didn't even notice him. He could just as easily be a Ryan Sims as a Richard Seymour.

you do realize that he was playing injured basically the latter 3/5 of the year, right?

JohninGpt · 12-15-2007, 09:46 PM

Our O line sucks so bad, I'd say take Long.
That being said, it's all a crap shoot. Sims was a first rounder and Jared Allen a fourth. Who knows how they will turn out.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 12-15-2007, 09:46 PM

This poll should not have a trade down option, as you'd be a fucking moron to trade down with Glen Dorsey on the board.

Say the Chiefs pick 3rd. Just to move down to 10, which is where Jake Long really has the most *value* at because of his draft grade, you should ask for a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round pick.

If you would pass all of that up to stay at 3 and draft Long, you should stab yourself in the eye socket with an icicle.

ILChief · 12-15-2007, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by H5N1

you do realize that he was playing injured basically the latter 3/5 of the year, right?

so there are injury concerns. another reason to go O-LINE.

ILChief · 12-15-2007, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

This poll should not have a trade down option, as you'd be a fucking moron to trade down with Glen Dorsey on the board.

Say the Chiefs pick 3rd. Just to move down to 10, which is where Jake Long really has the most *value* at because of his draft grade, you should ask for a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round pick.

If you would pass all of that up to stay at 3 and draft Long, you should stab yourself in the eye socket with an icicle.

I'd like to know where you get Long being a 10th pick. Most mock drafts have him going in the top 3. I don't think I've seen one where he falls to 10.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 12-15-2007, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ILChief

I'd be fine with taking Long in round 1 and Richardson in round 2. Our o-line is that crappy. I just don't see Dorsey as this sure fire can't miss prospect. I've watched some LSU games this year and didn't even notice him. He could just as easily be a Ryan Sims as a Richard Seymour.

. Did you watch him before he was injured? When he was changing games while being double and/or triple teamed?

The guy is the best DT prospect in nearly a decade. He's *that* good.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 12-15-2007, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ILChief

I'd like to know where you get Long being a 10th pick. Most mock drafts have him going in the top 3. I don't think I've seen one where he falls to 10.

A Right tackle who is going to grade out in the low 90's to high 80's should never go in the top 3. At any point.

Ebolapox · 12-15-2007, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ILChief

so there are injury concerns. another reason to go O-LINE.

marshall faulk had injury issues in college. do you pass on him if you're redrafting the 1994 draft?

gale sayers had injury issues. do you pass on him in the 1965 draft?

I realize both of the above players are running backs. however, point stands. do you take the potential franchise player, or 'solid' player?

super bowls are won on the backs of franchise players, not solid players. we've had 'solid' players for the last 18 years. true impact players are rare, and dorsey is one.

View Poll Results: If both are available, who do you take?
Jake Long, OT Michigan	30	42.25%
Glen Dorsey, DT LSU	41	57.75%
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