Peter King: Herm will draft Matt Ryan to buy himself another year - Page 6

FloridaMan88 · 03-24-2008, 10:52 AM

I still doubt the Chiefs will take Ryan, but this is an interesting rationale for why they might and this is totally in line with the piece of garbage that Herm is.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...21/mmqb/1.html

Kansas City. Boston College QB Matt Ryan. Just a hunch, though they'll have trouble passing on Michigan offensive tackle Jake Long.

Strange thing here. At the combine, Carl Peterson told me the Chiefs loved Ryan, but there was no way they could take him because of their needs elsewhere. (Offensive line, I'm guessing.) Then they sent half the front office to his workout the other day at BC. Methinks Carl does not want to be the man to pass on the guy he thinks will be a franchise player. The other thing this does is buy coach Herman Edwards one more year of rebuilding. Even if the Chiefs go 5-11 this year, they couldn't whack Edwards until after they got a really good look at Ryan.

RustShack · 03-24-2008, 01:23 PM

Ryan could be a great player, but the Falcons could feel someone better is there at #3 where as they wouldn't be there at #5...

KCChiefsMan · 03-24-2008, 01:24 PM

we need to get our o-line fixed. I won't matter who's our QB if they only have 2 seconds to throw before getting their ass thrown on the ground.

RustShack · 03-24-2008, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsMan

we need to get our o-line fixed. I won't matter who's our QB if they only have 2 seconds to throw before getting their ass thrown on the ground.

We have more than 1 pick in the draft buddy, you can get starters later in the draft on bad years... this is a great year for Oline.. there wont be any problems.

crazycoffey · 03-24-2008, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Larry Johnson wasn't even good last year when he played....this is just another one of those "OMG if we had Larry Johnson we'd have won 9 games" posts.

You always claim to spout out "the truth", but this point is very valid, he had a bad year, D's did stack against him, it was frustrating for him, and us fans, but the truth is.... well, donkhater said it already...

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Originally Posted by donkhater

2. Some people on this board don't want to hear it, but KC's year turned the minute LJ went down with an injury not because Croyle started. The Chiefs were 5-4, leading the division and beating GB when LJ got hurt. They went on to lose that game and the six following.

When LJ was healthy, defenses stacked against the run and Huard couldn't exploit it. When he went down, that respect for the running game diminished and Croyle struggled, in part, because defenses could play him more honestly. That's my take.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 03-24-2008, 01:29 PM

Dorsey, Ellis, C. Long, or Gholston please.

Mecca · 03-24-2008, 01:33 PM

I guess Ben Roethlisberger isn't that good since he didn't go till 11.

And even if you love Larry Johnson there are easily 5 backs that would be taken ahead of him right now, hell there are more than that. He's old for a RB.

Brock · 03-24-2008, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by lj4mvp

Regardless, if Matt Ryan was a can't-miss QB prospect in the eyes of NFL GMs (by consensus), he'd be gone by No. 5. That's just the reality of it. Miami, Atlanta, even St. Louis, or a team that trades up, like Baltimore, would all snatch him up if he was that good.

Same goes for Jake Long. (And it appears he may be at least close to that level, given where he's going to go.)

A team very well may trade up for him. If not, and he's still there at 5, doesn't mean he's not a franchise QB, and neither does what Atlanta thinks of him, that's just silly. If the Chiefs think he's a franchise QB, they should draft him.

kcirnamffoh · 03-24-2008, 01:35 PM

Being on the outside looking in, it's impossible to say what could be going on in every team's warroom. But if the Chiefs could find two teams a couple of positions down that want the same player, that would be the time to trade to the highest bidder for extra picks. It seems to me if the Chiefs want to build through the draft then volume comes to mind with me. The more the merrier. Bring in as many as you can then be prepared to keep the right ones.

donkhater · 03-24-2008, 01:37 PM

KC has a lot of holes to fill, no doubt.

Pre-Croyle I would have jumped all over the chance to take a QB in the first round--provided he was seen as a top prospect. Green was getting up in years and KC really never had a plan at that position except signing old retreads.

Now we have a young QB (Croyle) who supposedly has the backing of the coach and his teammates and very little in the way of talent on the offensive line. If the chance to nab a a QB the caliber of Manning (either one), Roethlisberger, Rivers, or hell even Cutler were to present itself, I'd say go for it, but Ryan has the feeling of being a Alex Smith---A QB that was drafted high because he was the best out of a weak class. No thanks. I pass.

There are plenty of athletes other positions that will be available to KC at #5 that won't be near the question mark that Ryan would be.

Also, keep this in mind. The evaluation of a QB is dependant on a number of things. How will we know Ryan is any good until the O-line improves? We're still asking that question about Croyle. With a D-lineman or O-lineman or even a CB, the evaluation of that pick will be more straightforward and we'll know whether or not that problem on the team is addressed quicker.

donkhater · 03-24-2008, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

A team very well may trade up for him. If not, and he's still there at 5, doesn't mean he's not a franchise QB, and neither does what Atlanta thinks of him, that's just silly. If the Chiefs think he's a franchise QB, they should draft him.

I agree. I don't think KC should base their decision on what Atlanta thinks.

But as far as these mock drafts are concerned, if someone has KC picking Ryan because they don't think KC should pass up the chance to get a franchise QB, then what was their rationale for Atlanta passing on him?

KCChiefsMan · 03-24-2008, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by RustShack

We have more than 1 pick in the draft buddy, you can get starters later in the draft on bad years... this is a great year for Oline.. there wont be any problems.

well excuse me for being skeptical but we haven't drafted a good non-first round o-lineman in any draft for the past decade and I believe we've drafted at least 1 in all of them. Jordan Black was probably the best one.

Mecca · 03-24-2008, 01:43 PM

How can anyone justify not taking a QB because of Brodie Croyle, what has he shown? That he's still injury prone as ever?

Brock · 03-24-2008, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsMan

well excuse me for being skeptical but we haven't drafted a good non-first round o-lineman in any draft for the past decade and I believe we've drafted at least 1 in all of them. Jordan Black was probably the best one.

We weren't doing good picking them in the first round either.

KCChiefsMan · 03-24-2008, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

We weren't doing good picking them in the first round either.

ya

pikesome · 03-24-2008, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

How can anyone justify not taking a QB because of Brodie Croyle, what has he shown? That he's still injury prone as ever?

It's only a bit less crazy than giving up on Croyle after the half a season try-out he got. We learned he can't make chicken salad out of chicken shit, that's about all.

03-24-2008, 10:52 AM
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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $2147050	I guess Ben Roethlisberger isn't that good since he didn't go till 11. And even if you love Larry Johnson there are easily 5 backs that would be taken ahead of him right now, hell there are more than that. He's old for a RB.
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donkhater Brilliant!! Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Indiana, USA Casino cash: $10014051	KC has a lot of holes to fill, no doubt. Pre-Croyle I would have jumped all over the chance to take a QB in the first round--provided he was seen as a top prospect. Green was getting up in years and KC really never had a plan at that position except signing old retreads. Now we have a young QB (Croyle) who supposedly has the backing of the coach and his teammates and very little in the way of talent on the offensive line. If the chance to nab a a QB the caliber of Manning (either one), Roethlisberger, Rivers, or hell even Cutler were to present itself, I'd say go for it, but Ryan has the feeling of being a Alex Smith---A QB that was drafted high because he was the best out of a weak class. No thanks. I pass. There are plenty of athletes other positions that will be available to KC at #5 that won't be near the question mark that Ryan would be. Also, keep this in mind. The evaluation of a QB is dependant on a number of things. How will we know Ryan is any good until the O-line improves? We're still asking that question about Croyle. With a D-lineman or O-lineman or even a CB, the evaluation of that pick will be more straightforward and we'll know whether or not that problem on the team is addressed quicker. __________________ The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants
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