Roy, Are there still some strong feelings for Kansas?

[teedubya]

Question to Roy from this article: http://northcarolina.scout.com/2/742213.htmlAre there still some strong feelings for Kansas?
"I gave some school, some basketball programs, some state, whatever you want to call it, and especially the players, 15 years of my heart, body and soul. So I'm never going to lose that. Some of the greatest memories in my life were at Kansas. I'm never going to lose that. I'm never going to lose their appreciation for basketball, their passion for basketball.


"I'll always appreciate that and love that. Each and every year it gets different because the players that I left there are gone. We recruited Jeremy, but everybody else is gone. And we knew Darnell, he used to come up to games. We knew Darrell used to come up for games. But this is Bill's team. This is the University of Kansas's team without Roy Williams.


"I can put it to you this way: In my summer camp we have a lot of little kids running around and they're instructed on the first day they can wear North Carolina stuff or they can wear Kansas stuff, but they can't wear anybody else's stuff.

"And that's the way I'm always going to be. I'm going to be always be a huge Kansas fan. There were some things said or done that hurt at first, but time has a way of healing things and I am hopeful it will heal with some people that still may have some bad feelings.


"But the good news is it's a wonderful Kansas team playing a wonderful North Carolina team on college basketball's biggest stage. And I wish it would be Monday night as opposed to Saturday."



I think I hate UNC a little bit less after reading that. He lets the little kids wear UNC and Kansas gear... that is cool.

[Easy Money]

Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

No, it does not speak to your point. Spott used the fact that Roy's recruits were 1st round and lottery picks to demonstrate his recruiting prowess. There was no mention of how good they are/were/will be in the NBA. Good college players does not equal good NBA player, you have that much right. But the fact is that the best, and championship-caliber, college teams have multiple guys move on to the NBA and Roy's team's met that criteria.

Look, if you want to say Roy > Self at recruiting, fine, but don't forget Self, too, has recruited NBA talent. However, I still stand by my original post that Roy would've never gotten Rush, Collins or Wright and probably a few others. If you want to go ahead and match top to bottom the talent that Self and Roy have recruited since the divorce, by all means. I bet you'd take self's team any day.

[DaKCMan AP]

Originally Posted by Easy Money

Look, if you want to say Roy > Self at recruiting, fine, but don't forget Self, too, has recruited NBA talent. However, I still stand by my original post that Roy would've never gotten Rush, Collins or Wright and probably a few others. If you want to go ahead and match top to bottom the talent that Self and Roy have recruited since the divorce, by all means. I bet you'd take self's team any day.

I'm not making an argument that one is better than the other at recruiting. I'm just saying that bashing Roy's recruiting is ridiculous because I consider some of Roy's best recruits (Pierce, LaFrentz, Collison) to be better than some of Self's best recruits (Rush, Collins, Chalmers, Arthur). Self's '07-'08 team is obviously deeper than any of Roy's teams.

[Easy Money]

Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

I'm not making an argument that one is better than the other at recruiting. I'm just saying that bashing Roy's recruiting is ridiculous because I consider some of Roy's best recruits (Pierce, LaFrentz, Collison) to be better than some of Self's best recruits (Rush, Collins, Chalmers, Arthur). Self's '07-'08 team is obviously deeper than any of Roy's teams.

Since I never "bashed" Roy's recruiting, I'm not sure what you're disagreement is with what I posted. If rot were still here and Self at Illinois, Illinois would be a powerhouse by now, while KU would still be the same old can't-get-over-the-hump team that defined the Roy era.

[DJay23]

Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

I'm not making an argument that one is better than the other at recruiting. I'm just saying that bashing Roy's recruiting is ridiculous because I consider some of Roy's best recruits (Pierce, LaFrentz, Collison) to be better than some of Self's best recruits (Rush, Collins, Chalmers, Arthur). Self's '07-'08 team is obviously deeper than any of Roy's teams.

Personally I see the difference as quantity. While Self will bring in as many top flight recruits as he can, Roy had a plan where he brought in 2 or 3 cornerstone players and then the next year only recruit role players to fill out the roster. Roys teams were never that deep beyond 1-5 or 6 players. Roys system worked to a point, and actually should have worked in '03 if we had made our free throws. It seems he's tried to change that recently. I think it's all because he wouldn't compete with UNC when he was at KU. Now he doesn't seem to have a problem with competing with KU at UNC which is fine and the right way to do it, just seems like he short changed KU as far as recruits when he was there.

[teedubya]

I would say DaKCMan, that if you win the National Championship... you look more appealing and have a great chance at getting drafted. JMO