Chiefs Draft Reality Check - Page 6

KCJohnny · 04-27-2008, 12:42 PM

I'm thrilled with this year's draft as many of you are. However...

Reality check:

KC allowed 55 sacks last year (T-last)
KC rushed for 78 YPG last year (last).

I'm all excited about the DT, CBs, WR, RB, etc... but this was supposed to be the draft that addressed the OL.

Right now we are looking at just 4 starters: Albert, Waters, MacIntosh and Niswanger. No telling who will play what and there ain't crap there for depth.

Remember, Gailey will run a lot of 2-TE sets with downhill rushing plays. I'm not seeing the kind of top tier OL that can get that done here.

tk13 · 04-27-2008, 05:57 PM

It'd been nice to get maybe one more lineman. But I also wonder how much the "value" of the board was skewed by the fact that there was a huge run on OL players. This was considered a deep OL draft, and because of it teams were reaching up into the first round for guys expected to go much later. Kinda skewed the whole group of offensive line players.

Mecca · 04-27-2008, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by TRR

Cottam did have a good Senior Bowl. But your talking about a TE who comibined for 20 TOTAL CATCHES HIS ENTIRE COLLEGIATE CAREER. 20? Maybe he wasn't targeted in the offense, maybe he is a late bloomer? Only time will tell...But your talking about value, and a 20 catch TE his entire career just doesn't gleam VALUE in the 3rd round.

He's going to be the 2nd TE, he comes from Tennessee, injuries set him back but he's very physically gifted. He can block, has a big body and has very very high upside as a receiver because of his talent.

eazyb81 · 04-27-2008, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by TRR

Cottam did have a good Senior Bowl. But your talking about a TE who comibined for 20 TOTAL CATCHES HIS ENTIRE COLLEGIATE CAREER. 20? Maybe he wasn't targeted in the offense, maybe he is a late bloomer? Only time will tell...But your talking about value, and a 20 catch TE his entire career just doesn't gleam VALUE in the 3rd round.

Sure, I can understand that argument. I just don't see the point in trying to compare and contrast Cottam and Allen based on height and weight. That seems incredibly stupid.

Mecca · 04-27-2008, 05:59 PM

Lets put it this way, Brad Cottam is full of upside unlike players like John Carlson who were taken ahead of him.

Martellus Bennett was someone I loved at TE but Cottam is right up there.

**DaneMcCloud** · 04-27-2008, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Don417

One of the deepest drafts in years for OLineman and the chiefs take exactly one in the first five rounds. And you people think it's all gravy. Did you forget already how awful the OLine is?

Richardson will be the steal of the draft. Additionally, the Chiefs have high hopes for Herb Taylor, who will be in his second year.

There was NO reason to rush out and draft every available lineman at each position.

This team is at least one more solid draft away from 8-8.

And that's only if Croyle doesn't completely suck.

KCJohnny · 04-27-2008, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

And that's only if Croyle doesn't completely suck.

He didn't completely suck last year with the league's most porous OL (last in sacks allowed) and worst rushing offense (78 YPG). Factor in he was using Al Saunders' Euclidian playbook and Mike Solari was calling the plays, and you see Brodie didn't do half bad. Give him an improved OL, a couple new weapons, a real actual rushing attack and a grownup calling the plays in a simplified athlete-friendly scheme, and Croyle might look purdy good.

**Dylan** · 04-28-2008, 12:55 AM

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FWIW, I view Charles as a poor-man's Tiki Barber. Barber was "just" a third down back when drafted by NYG and had fumbling problems. A few years later, the guy is one of the very best backs in the league.

Tom Coughlin gave Tiki Barber his fame. .... Tiki wasn't successful until Coughlin changed the way he held the ball -- not making as many turnovers is not easily taught. At the beginning of 2007 season, Ahmad Bradshaw fumbled in his first game. Coughlin has been working with him on ways of holding the football, especially the way Coughlin taught Tiki. The coach benches a lot of players during the year. It works. When they become starters again, they never make the same mistake. lol

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Tiki Barber owns his career and the whispers of HOF player to Tom Coughlin. Without Coughlin, Barber could had very well been a fumbling nobody. He quickly progressed from a third-down, change of pace back to become a standout starting running back, overcoming injuries and working through his flaws with the help of his coach Tom Coughlin; his stellar 2005 season, where he finished the year with 2,390 total yards (the second highest total in history of the NFL).

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When Coach Tom Coughlin arrived he taught Tiki to hold the ball vertically instead of horizontally. After changing this his fumbles went down dramatically: in 2004, he only had 2 lost fumbles.

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Tiki had one weakness to overcome: fumbling the football. Barber had six lost fumbles in both the 2002 and 2003 seasons, including three lost fumbles in a single game against the Philadelphia Eagles on December 28, 2002.

**DaneMcCloud** · 04-28-2008, 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by KCJohnny

He didn't completely suck last year with the league's most porous OL (last in sacks allowed) and worst rushing offense (78 YPG). Factor in he was using Al Saunders' Euclidian playbook and Mike Solari was calling the plays, and you see Brodie didn't do half bad. Give him an improved OL, a couple new weapons, a real actual rushing attack and a grownup calling the plays in a simplified athlete-friendly scheme, and Croyle might look purdy good.

Um, he DID completely suck. He was 0-6.

Let's just stop with the fucking bullshit about Croyle, right now.

He didn't will a team to victory.

He didn't will a team to a tie.

He didn't even will a team to be competitive.

He sucked.

What's fucking ironic is that a bunch of the fuckers on the 'Planet say that Eli Manning sucks! He just won the freakin' Super Bowl and willed his team to 6 straight wins (and like 9 on the road).

What the fuck does that say about Croyle?

**DaneMcCloud** · 04-28-2008, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Dylan

Tom Coughlin gave Tiki Barber his fame. .... Tiki wasn't successful until Coughlin changed the way he held the ball -- not making as many turnovers is not easily taught. At the beginning of 2007 season, Ahmad Bradshaw fumbled in his first game. Coughlin has been working with him on ways of holding the football, especially the way Coughlin taught Tiki. The coach benches a lot of players during the year. It works. When they become starters again, they never make the same mistake. lol

QFT.

MY truth.

Charles may end up being the key to this draft.

In two years.

KCJohnny · 04-28-2008, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Um, he DID completely suck. He was 0-6.

Let's just stop with the fucking bullshit about Croyle, right now.

He didn't will a team to victory.

He didn't will a team to a tie.

He didn't even will a team to be competitive.

He sucked.

What's fucking ironic is that a bunch of the fuckers on the 'Planet say that Eli Manning sucks! He just won the freakin' Super Bowl and willed his team to 6 straight wins (and like 9 on the road).

What the fuck does that say about Croyle?

You need to consult a thesaurus and learn a few new adjectives, friend.

dj56dt58 · 04-28-2008, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Um, he DID completely suck. He was 0-6.

Let's just stop with the fucking bullshit about Croyle, right now.

He didn't will a team to victory.

He didn't will a team to a tie.

He didn't even will a team to be competitive.

He sucked.

What's fucking ironic is that a bunch of the fuckers on the 'Planet say that Eli Manning sucks! He just won the freakin' Super Bowl and willed his team to 6 straight wins (and like 9 on the road).

What the fuck does that say about Croyle?

Tom Brady wouldn't have done shit behind our line last year with LJ out

DT Fan · 04-28-2008, 01:06 PM

Offensive Line, along with Receiver and QB, seems to be a position that takes guys a couple of years to develop. I'm guessing there are more successful mid to late round picks starting on OL than any other position in the league.

Point being that the staff may think that some of the young guys, like Taylor, may develop into a solid start, which would explain why they didn't draft more than two linemen. Granted, I don't know what they would have done if a 3rd/4th round talent like Richardson hadn't been there in the 6th, but he was and they nabbed a 2nd linemen with potential.

Clearly, too, they thought that TE was a bigtime position of need or they wouldn't have drafted two of them.

**Dylan** · 04-28-2008, 03:02 PM

Here's wishing you guys the best this season. May the 2007 NFL Draft turn out to be the very best for Kansas City. Nobody can write and analize your team better than you do. I truly mean that. ...

Now to my pet peeve -- Sports Journalism 101

I am specifically addressing my concern on the part of sports writers that veer away from their role as journalists to do something immoral -- predict the news.

With the explosion of the Internet, we're dealing with very different sports outlets. False information is passed from blog to blog. Predictions seem to be the norm. Sports is not a difficult place to work, except for people afraid of being left behind. Instead of gathering the news, discussing the news, interpreting the news, reporting the news, they're predicting the news. It's worthless. They're nothing more than fortune tellers.

While their errors may be amusing, false conclusions are not. That's much harder to fix. However, it's common knowledge that mock drafts sell. Whenever you click on a Web site, advertisers take notice. It may be fun, and a few fortune tellers may be right or lucky on individual players, but until the game is played, and until the very end of the season, nobody can write the story.

I'm not here to offend -- My story applies to sports journalists that fall into the trap of predictions. Not to the entertainers and ex-NFL players that appear on sports networks daily. They're in a worthless class all by themselves.

KCJohnny · 04-28-2008, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DT Fan

Clearly, too, they thought that TE was a bigtime position of need or they wouldn't have drafted two of them.

They released Dunn and Kris Wilson, so they needed a blocking and a receiving TE. Last year our TEs also played a lot of H-back, so its a key position. Not sure Gailey will use H-backs, but TE was a legit position of need.

04-27-2008, 12:42 PM
KCJohnny Blind, deceived homer Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Maryland, USA Casino cash: $10004900	Draft Reality Check I'm thrilled with this year's draft as many of you are. However... Reality check: KC allowed 55 sacks last year (T-last) KC rushed for 78 YPG last year (last). I'm all excited about the DT, CBs, WR, RB, etc... but this was supposed to be the draft that addressed the OL. Right now we are looking at just 4 starters: Albert, Waters, MacIntosh and Niswanger. No telling who will play what and there ain't crap there for *depth*. Remember, Gailey will run a lot of 2-TE sets with downhill rushing plays. I'm not seeing the kind of top tier OL that can get that done here.
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04-27-2008, 05:57 PM	#76
tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $1442500	It'd been nice to get maybe one more lineman. But I also wonder how much the "value" of the board was skewed by the fact that there was a huge run on OL players. This was considered a deep OL draft, and because of it teams were reaching up into the first round for guys expected to go much later. Kinda skewed the whole group of offensive line players.
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04-27-2008, 05:59 PM	#79
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $2077050	Lets put it this way, Brad Cottam is full of upside unlike players like John Carlson who were taken ahead of him. Martellus Bennett was someone I loved at TE but Cottam is right up there.
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04-28-2008, 01:06 PM	#87
DT Fan Starter Join Date: Apr 2008 Casino cash: $10004900	Offensive Line, along with Receiver and QB, seems to be a position that takes guys a couple of years to develop. I'm guessing there are more successful mid to late round picks starting on OL than any other position in the league. Point being that the staff may think that some of the young guys, like Taylor, may develop into a solid start, which would explain why they didn't draft more than two linemen. Granted, I don't know what they would have done if a 3rd/4th round talent like Richardson hadn't been there in the 6th, but he was and they nabbed a 2nd linemen with potential. Clearly, too, they thought that TE was a bigtime position of need or they wouldn't have drafted two of them.
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04-28-2008, 03:02 PM	#88
Dylan The Lede Join Date: Aug 2007 Casino cash: $10016591	Here's wishing you guys the best this season. May the 2007 NFL Draft turn out to be the very best for Kansas City. Nobody can write and analize your team better than you do. I truly mean that. ... Now to my pet peeve -- Sports Journalism 101 I am specifically addressing my concern on the part of sports writers that veer away from their role as journalists to do something immoral -- predict the news. With the explosion of the Internet, we're dealing with very different sports outlets. False information is passed from blog to blog. Predictions seem to be the norm. Sports is not a difficult place to work, except for people afraid of being left behind. Instead of gathering the news, discussing the news, interpreting the news, reporting the news, they're predicting the news. It's worthless. They're nothing more than fortune tellers. While their errors may be amusing, false conclusions are not. That's much harder to fix. However, it's common knowledge that mock drafts sell. Whenever you click on a Web site, advertisers take notice. It may be fun, and a few fortune tellers may be right or lucky on individual players, but until the game is played, and until the very end of the season, nobody can write the story. I'm not here to offend -- My story applies to sports journalists that fall into the trap of predictions. Not to the entertainers and ex-NFL players that appear on sports networks daily. They're in a worthless class all by themselves.
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