Chiefs Do You Suffer from TFS? True Fan Syndrome? If So, We Can Help - Page 6

'Hamas' Jenkins · 10:48 PM

Do you lie awake at nights dreaming of 8-8, or 9-7?

Do you judge a season as a success by a Wild Card birth?

Do you believe that defenses and running games are more important than franchise QBs?

Do you hate wide receivers?

Do you love coaches with a complete inability to spot talent at the running back position?

Do you think that 3-13 is better for the long term future of the franchise than 2-14?

Do you think the 2002 Bucs and 2000 Ravens are model NFL teams to aspire to?

Do you find playoff records to be irrelevant?

Do you believe that guards and right tackles should be taken with top five picks?

Do you believe that a quarterback is best served as a game manager?

Do you believe that every 3rd Down play should either be a screen or a draw?

Do you believe kicker is the most important position on the offense?

Do you believe that all of the best prospects reside in the Big XII?

Do you believe in trading down in any situation during the draft?

Do you believe that a team is better served picking 20 rather than 5 because they don't have to pay the player as much?

Do you believe that the only way to be a winning team is to throw money at the most expensive Free Agents every year, regardless of need?

Do you judge QBOTF by their box scores?

Do you think that risk is scary, and therefore, wish to draft last in every round to avoid the perception of failure?

Do you think that Marty and Bill Cowher are the only two coaches left on the planet?

Do you think that Gunther was once a great coordinator?

Do you think that reaction is safer than action?

Do you think every other team that actually drafted a QBOTF just 'got lucky' and that it could never happen to us?

Is your name [alias of claythan and hootie]?

Do you prefer tailgating to Championships?

Do you fear the unknown?

Do you believe that 'being close in the 4th quarter' is the objective of an offense?

Do you believe that the run sets up the pass?

Do you believe that Stafford "has done nothing worth mentioning" in college?

Do you think QBs don't need to know how to play from under the center, and that learning 5 and 7 step drops is irrelevant because once Thigpen completed a 7 yard pass to a hall of fame tight end in quadruple coverage?

If so, you may suffer from TFS, True Fan Syndrome. Here at the ChiefsPlanet Clinic, our staff of experts can help rid you of this debilitating malady. Through study of game tape of such contests as Super Bowl XXIII we can help ameliorate the effects of play not to lose football.

Upon registering at our world-renowned clinic, you will be given the following ID badge:

After six weeks of therapy, our cure rate for TFS approaches 91%, which ironically, is slightly better than Herm Edwards' losing percentage the last 23 games.

If you or a loved one suffers from TFS, please, contact us immediately.

We're here to help.

Sincerely,

The ChiefsPlanet Clinic

**Baby Lee** · 12-17-2008, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

If you are putting Bulger in there, you better put Green in as well. Martz was his coach in Washington and St. Louis.

Kitna was never better than his time with Martz.

FringeNC · 12-17-2008, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Great quarterbacks are GREAT regardless.

John Elway, Joe Montana, Brett Favre, Dan Marino, Dan Fouts, etc.

Sure, they make mistakes but no one needs to teach them the game or correct their mechanics or decision making skills.

If you draft a first round QB, he'd better be 90% "developed". Otherwise, you're wasting your time and the team's ability to compete.

You take Elway with Dan Reeves instead of Shanahan, and I'll take Martz with Warner, and see who wins.

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-17-2008, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

If you are putting Bulger in there, you better put Green in as well. Martz was his coach in Washington and St. Louis.

I don't follow the Rams but did Bulger make the Pro Bowl under Martz? Green never did and was always a third QB at the Pro-Bowl, not the first or second.

milkman · 12-17-2008, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

You're not really describing a franchise QB, then. In other words, do you think that there was a very good possibility that P. Manning, Elway, Marino, etc. would fail? That their superior talent wouldn't have ultimately won out?

Players like Green, Bulger, and Warner can be very nice system guys. These are players high-quality staffs can develop, and they're also players that can be ruined, completely.

We've had only system QB's in KC for the last, well, 20+ years. We need a franchise guy, and now we're drafting high enough that this *might* be a good opportunity to get one. Might.

Actually every QB in Chiefs franchise history, including Dawson, were system QBs.

But you have the right QB that fits your system then he can still be a franchise QB.

**HemiEd** · 12-17-2008, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Cool, but I think you should have to masturbate with a cheesegrader while watching everyone of Herms press conferences, you know just to help your fandom...

Why? I am no Herm Edwards fan and he will only look up to mediocrity, as long as he is the coach. His only shot was 9-7 with DV's team, game over.

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-17-2008, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by FringeNC

You take Elway with Dan Reeves instead of Shanahan, and I'll take Martz with Warner, and see who wins.

You lose.

Furthermore, Kurt Warner is a great QB for one reason and one reason only:

Kurt Warner.

The guy played Arena League, World League and sat on the bench in St. Louis before playing. No one "developed" him but himself.

To think otherwise is naive.

FringeNC · 12-17-2008, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

You lose.

Reerun_KC · 12-17-2008, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd

Why? I am no Herm Edwards fan and he will only look up to mediocrity, as long as he is the coach. His only shot was 9-7 with DV's team, game over.

I know ED, I was just ****ing with you.... Besides it sounded funny, I think I just might of given the Herm Supporters something to do for the evening...

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-17-2008, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by FringeNC

Elway went to five Super Bowls, winning two.

Warner went to two Super Bowls, winning one.

If you're trying to make the argument that Warner is a more talented and better QB than Elway, you lose.

Hands down.

**HemiEd** · 12-17-2008, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

I know ED, I was just ****ing with you.... Besides it sounded funny, I think I just might of given the Herm Supporters something to do for the evening...

Damn, they will be sorry tomorrow.

**The Bad Guy** · 12-17-2008, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

Oh, what the hell. Let's go ahead and draft Schuler in the first. Oh, I mean Mirer. I mean Klingler. I mean Harrington. No wait, I mean Carr. DOH! I meant Leaf! Or...

I will forever maintain that a high #1 pick on a QB is the riskiest pick there is. I have watched so many fail. If that's what we do, well, I'll cross my fingers and hope for the best, but I don't agree that it's the wisest plan of attack.

Afraid to fail.

There may be no cure for you.

**The Bad Guy** · 12-17-2008, 07:23 PM

I would have to agree that Kurt Warner is basically a self-made QB. The guy was left for dead after his time with the New York Giants, and he's turned into an MVP candidate in Arizona.

He just seriously might be the most incredible NFL story ever.

**SAUTO** · 12-17-2008, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

I would have to agree that Kurt Warner is basically a WIFE-made QB. The guy was left for dead after his time with the New York Giants, and he's turned into an MVP candidate in Arizona.

He just seriously might be the most incredible NFL story ever.

FYP

ChiefsCountry · 12-17-2008, 07:25 PM

It is kind of ironic that Warner had the best WR combo in St. Louis and then again in Arizona.

FringeNC · 12-17-2008, 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Elway went to five Super Bowls, winning two.

Warner went to two Super Bowls, winning one.

If you're trying to make the argument that Warner is a more talented and better QB than Elway, you lose.

Hands down.

He went to three with Dan Reeves as his HC when the AFC was a joke, and got blown out three times. He went with Shanahan, running a sophisticated offense, and won twice. Look at Elway's numbers pre- and post- Reeves. He's a completely different QB. Is Elway better than Warner -- yeah, but coaching and scheme MATTER, and the combination of Warner and Martz would blow away Elway and Reeves. Not even close.

12-17-2008, 04:09 PM
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7179572	Do You Suffer from TFS? True Fan Syndrome? If So, We Can Help Do you lie awake at nights dreaming of 8-8, or 9-7? Do you judge a season as a success by a Wild Card birth? Do you believe that defenses and running games are more important than franchise QBs? Do you hate wide receivers? Do you love coaches with a complete inability to spot talent at the running back position? Do you think that 3-13 is better for the long term future of the franchise than 2-14? Do you think the 2002 Bucs and 2000 Ravens are model NFL teams to aspire to? Do you find playoff records to be irrelevant? Do you believe that guards and right tackles should be taken with top five picks? Do you believe that a quarterback is best served as a game manager? Do you believe that every 3rd Down play should either be a screen or a draw? Do you believe kicker is the most important position on the offense? Do you believe that all of the best prospects reside in the Big XII? Do you believe in trading down in any situation during the draft? Do you believe that a team is better served picking 20 rather than 5 because they don't have to pay the player as much? Do you believe that the only way to be a winning team is to throw money at the most expensive Free Agents every year, regardless of need? Do you judge QBOTF by their box scores? Do you think that risk is scary, and therefore, wish to draft last in every round to avoid the perception of failure? Do you think that Marty and Bill Cowher are the only two coaches left on the planet? Do you think that Gunther was once a great coordinator? Do you think that reaction is safer than action? Do you think every other team that actually drafted a QBOTF just 'got lucky' and that it could never happen to us? Is your name [alias of claythan and hootie]? Do you prefer tailgating to Championships? Do you fear the unknown? Do you believe that 'being close in the 4th quarter' is the objective of an offense? Do you believe that the run sets up the pass? Do you believe that Stafford "has done nothing worth mentioning" in college? Do you think QBs don't need to know how to play from under the center, and that learning 5 and 7 step drops is irrelevant because once Thigpen completed a 7 yard pass to a hall of fame tight end in quadruple coverage? If so, you may suffer from TFS, True Fan Syndrome. Here at the ChiefsPlanet Clinic, our staff of experts can help rid you of this debilitating malady. Through study of game tape of such contests as Super Bowl XXIII we can help ameliorate the effects of play not to lose football. Upon registering at our world-renowned clinic, you will be given the following ID badge: After six weeks of therapy, our cure rate for TFS approaches 91%, which ironically, is slightly better than Herm Edwards' losing percentage the last 23 games. If you or a loved one suffers from TFS, please, contact us immediately. We're here to help. Sincerely, The ChiefsPlanet Clinic Last edited by 'Hamas' Jenkins; 02-15-2010 at 10:48 PM..
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12-17-2008, 07:23 PM	#87
The Bad Guy Scott Pioli Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The Copacobana Casino cash: $9283645	I would have to agree that Kurt Warner is basically a self-made QB. The guy was left for dead after his time with the New York Giants, and he's turned into an MVP candidate in Arizona. He just seriously might be the most incredible NFL story ever. __________________
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12-17-2008, 07:25 PM	#89
ChiefsCountry The Insider Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Lake of the Ozarks Casino cash: $-1501248	It is kind of ironic that Warner had the best WR combo in St. Louis and then again in Arizona.
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