Football The Pioli Watch Thread - Page 6

cardken · 02:26 PM

I'm hijacking the thread starter to use for an "updates" area. Sorry cardken. Here are a few recent updates:

Last updated 1/13/09 2:30pm CDT (final update)

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Originally Posted by Basileus777

New England Patriots vice president of player personnel Scott Pioli has agreed to become head of football operations for the Kansas City Chiefs, two NFL sources confirmed to ESPN's Michael Smith.
The vice president for player personnel at New England, Pioli, 43, is close to Patriots coach Bill Belichick and has been with the Patriots for nine years. Pioli would find a warm welcome in Kansas City. At the last Chiefs' home game, shortly after the embattled Carl Peterson resigned after 20 years as president, general manager and CEO, several signs were spotted in the crowd proclaiming, "We want Pioli." Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3830515

**cdcox** · 12-31-2008, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Pioli is NOT coming to KC. Period.

He wants total control, and Clark has gone on record MANY times to say that the football side and the business side would be run by two separate people.

Denny Thum has been with the organization for over 30 years, pre-Carl, and is one of the best cap guys out there. Clark isn't going to throw him to the curb over some guy that has been carried most of his career by someone else.

He's not coming here.

Get the **** over it.

One thing we've learned about the NFL through the years: the leaked rumors are never true and serve some ulterior purpose. So let's decipher the true meaning behind this rumor. Pioli obviously recognizes that demanding complete control is folly; the job is too big for one man. So he's saying that he wants complete control to ferret out all of the weak owners that will kowtow to his every whim. Those teams will be off his list. Then he will focus on the organizations that have wise owners. To me, this rumor is another strong indication that Pioli is coming to KC.

Zouk · 12-31-2008, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

You're forgetting that Pioli wants total control wherever he goes.

That is something Clark has repeatedly said is not going to happen in KC.

The football and business sides of the organization will be headed by different people.

He wants total control of football operations - which the new GM will have. I doubt he's insisting on control over the price of club seats and sponsorships.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-31-2008, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Zouk

He wants total control of football operations - which the new GM will have. I doubt he's insisting on control over the price of club seats and sponsorships.

I could very well be wrong, but from what I've read, he wants TOTAL control. Shanahan-like.

Cap decisions, contracts, the like.

**HemiEd** · 12-31-2008, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by old_geezer

I'm can't quite understand the Pioli lovefest that seems to be running rampant on ChiefsPlanet lately.

It is the only way to get Stafford.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-31-2008, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd

It is the only way to get Stafford.

You do realize that the highest Pioli has drafted a QB was in the 3rd round - Kevin O'Connell?

What makes you think that Pioli would go QB with a Top 5 pick? He's NEVER came close to doing that before.

**HemiEd** · 12-31-2008, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Delano

That is very homerish.

Cleveland and Denver are much better options.

Why would you say Cleveland? They are and exspansion team, even though they kept the name, they have never won a playoff game.

JohnnyV13 · 12-31-2008, 04:02 PM

Remember, Clark can't move quite as fast as solo owners, because he's actually Chariman of a group (with his 3 other siblings). He's probably not the biggest shareholder by any large margin; I would presume each of Lamar's 4 heirs have roughly equal ownership of the chiefs.

milkman · 12-31-2008, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan88

Take notes Clark...

This is how you aggressively pursue a top GM candidate.

Of course we wouldn't want the Chiefs GM search (or "Chiefs Duty" as I'm sure Clark would call it) to interfere with Clark's holiday vacation.

You know, I hope your dumb ass doesn't have any children.

If you do, I feel sorry for those poor little bastards.

milkman · 12-31-2008, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyV13

Remember, Clark can't move quite as fast as solo owners, because he's actually Chariman of a group (with his 3 other siblings). He's probably not the biggest shareholder by any large margin; I would presume each of Lamar's 4 heirs have roughly equal ownership of the chiefs.

I was under the impression, perhaps mistaken, that while his siblings all hold equal shares, they agreed to give Clark complete control because they have no real interest in the team, other than the money they can make from it.

Delano · 12-31-2008, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd

Why would you say Cleveland? They are and exspansion team, even though they kept the name, they have never won a playoff game.

Why would you say KC over Cleveland?

Cleveland has more pieces in place, IMO. Better players at more positions.

**HemiEd** · 12-31-2008, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

You do realize that the highest Pioli has drafted a QB was in the 3rd round - Kevin O'Connell?

What makes you think that Pioli would go QB with a Top 5 pick? He's NEVER came close to doing that before.

Is your sarcasm meter broken, or was it my delivery? I was trying to make a corolation of the Pioli/Stafford love fests on this place.

raybec 4 · 12-31-2008, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

I was under the impression, perhaps mistaken, that while his siblings all hold equal shares, they agreed to give Clark complete control because they have no real interest in the team, other than the money they can make from it.

I was also under the impreession that Clark is the only one with a vote.

**HemiEd** · 12-31-2008, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Delano

Why would you say KC over Cleveland?

Cleveland has more pieces in place, IMO. Better players at more positions.

After reading the rest of this thread, a couple posters have done a better job than I of detailing it.
I think it was Adam Shien (sp?) or Randy Cross on Sirius yesterday (10 1/2 hour drive, listening to NFL Sirius) who said it best.

Cleveland has no tradition, they are the Browns in name only. They are an expansion team, that has only been in one playoff game, with no wins. The team moved to Baltimore in the dark of the night. The Chiefs have actually been to two playoffs, since the 9-7 appearance by the new "Browns."

KC is getting a virtual new facility, plenty of money to spend and a young owner wanting to win.
Clark has exhibited, in the last couple weeks, that he is ready to put his stamp on this team and move on.

I could be wrong, but that is my take.

ToxSocks · 12-31-2008, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

I was under the impression, perhaps mistaken, that while his siblings all hold equal shares, they agreed to give Clark complete control because they have no real interest in the team, other than the money they can make from it.

WTF. You're raised in a football family and you don't wanna take part in the ball club? The ball club that your father loved dearly. A Historic Ball club that was part of the foundation of what we now call the NFL. F-That, those ungratefull bastards!

I would be fist fighting Clark for control of the team

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-31-2008, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd

Is your sarcasm meter broken, or was it my delivery? I was trying to make a corolation of the Pioli/Stafford love fests on this place.

Probably a combo of the 2.

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