Cassel and Whitlock = BFF's

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Sorry if repost:

Let the hate begin!

Posted on Tue, May. 26, 2009
I’m starting to get cold feet about Cassel
JASON WHITLOCK COMMENTARY

If this is an audition, it’s a very expensive one.

When Scott Pioli struck the deal for Tom Brady understudy Matt Cassel, the experts lauded Pioli for acquiring the one-year wonder for such a “reasonable” price, a second-round pick.

Three months later — with Cassel still unsigned to a long-term deal — the price tag is losing quite a bit of its discount value. In fact, you could argue that Cassel inked a rather generous prenuptial agreement and Bill Belichick unloaded a potential headache.

It appears the Chiefs have little interest in signing Matt Cassel to a long-term contract before the start of the season. Or, more likely, Pioli lost interest in signing Cassel to a long-term contract once Kansas City’s first-time general manager learned Cassel and agent David Dunn’s asking price.

Given Cassel’s and Pioli’s New England relationship, I just assumed when the Chiefs traded for Cassel, the parameters of a long-term deal were agreed upon before the trade. I assumed wrong. Or, more likely, Cassel and Dunn elevated their contract demands after perusing the Chiefs’ roster and salary-cap situation.

The Chiefs have enough salary-cap room to house, feed, clothe and entertain most of Canada. And Kansas City’s current offensive personnel would make any rational QB demand hazardous-work pay.

Whatever the cause, Pioli and Dunn can’t agree on Cassel’s worth. The rumor around the Loch Lloyd golf course is the Cassels are renting, not buying.

Can you really blame them in this economy and with a fickle housing market?

But whom should we blame for this expensive experiment?

As of right now, Cassel is scheduled to earn nearly $15 million for the 2009 season. That’s his franchise-tag number.

Had we known in February that Cassel would cost $15 million and a second-round pick for one season of play, would we still regard his acquisition as a wise move?

Of course, if he plays lights-out and proves that his one good, Randy Moss-Wes Welker-fueled season was no fluke, no one will complain about the acquisition price and no one will care what the Chiefs have to pay next season to keep him.

The problem is, I just can’t imagine him putting together a magnificent or even solid season in 2009.

Tony Gonzalez is gone. Larry Johnson is still here. Brian Waters is somewhere brooding. The Chiefs drafted a bunch of defensive linemen.

The way Pioli has assembled offensive talent (36-year-old Bobby Engram is the big-ticket free-agent signing) makes me believe he’s negotiating with Dunn and Cassel.

No offense to Cassel, but he’s a college and NFL bench-warmer who had the luxury of playing quarterback alongside the greatest offensive force (Moss) the league has seen since Jim Brown.

Last season Cassel stepped into a moving vehicle and did a good job of not running off the road. Kansas City’s offense has been stuck in neutral since Dick Vermeil left. And now the one reliable tire left on KC’s car moved to Atlanta.

This smells like 15 TDs and 20 interceptions, doesn’t it? Or maybe seven TDs, 12 interceptions and a season-ending injury halfway through the season.

It’s not even June, and I can already hear the Tyler Thigpen chants in the distance. By October, the talk-radio shows will be filled with Grbac-Gannon analogies.

The official Vegas over-under line on when I’ll write my first Jeff George column is Oct. 3. I’m playing the under if you must know.

For the record, my official position is I’d prefer to see the Chiefs draft and develop a quarterback. The Chiefs keep trying to convert backups — even Joe Montana was Steve Young’s backup in San Fran — into Super Bowl quarterbacks.

You ever break up with a girlfriend/boyfriend, date their best friend and then complain about the same problems? It’s stupid. It’s just as stupid to keep dating the exact same quarterback.

Most backup quarterbacks are backups for a good reason. They don’t marinate on the bench for eight years waiting to be discovered.

My problem with Cassel is he didn’t transfer out of USC when he was stuck behind Carson Palmer and Matt Leinart. The great ones generally have massive egos that can’t be satisfied riding the pine.

Man, I hope I’m wrong about this $15 million audition.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Drew Henson, not Chad Henne, but you are correct in the general notion of Brady having to platoon.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...an.html?cat=14

Ahh, that's right, Drew Henson. Thanks.

[RippedmyFlesh]

at wanting Cassel.[/quote]

Well your frickin coach didn't laugh.
Typical dumb ass bronco fan.
Lets hear about what a good "game manager" orton is.
You have a stupid young foolish coach and an owner who is Al davis II.
Have fun with that.
This one defies logic, but a source I really trust tells me it's true: The Broncos were willing to offer their own first-round pick (12th overall) to the Patriots for Cassel. Obviously, it was conditional upon Cutler being traded and Tampa Bay was the most likely destination, the Bucs willing to part with their first- and third-round picks.
But Belichick never embraced a trade with the Broncos, even though it was a head-scratcher on the value part (second-rounder versus a first-rounder). It suggests two or three speculative thoughts:

1. Belichick has always valued second-round picks (he now has three) and didn't want to be stuck at No. 12 financially for whatever reason;
2. Belichick had an agreement with Pioli all along and wouldn't break his word;
3. Belichick isn't about to help another former assistant.

The Broncos sensed resistance all along, which is why they held the Bucs, Lions, Vikings, etc., at arm's length and allows McDaniels his plausible deniability on trading Cutler (and logic supports his denial).

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/afceast/0...r-Cassel-.html

[orange]

Originally Posted by RippedmyFlesh , Typical Dumbass

... bunch of crap from ESPN ...

You realize that article you posted is quoting Chris "Half-Cocked" Mortensen?

How's coach Shanahan working out for you guys?




p.s. If you guys post that McDaniels wanted Cassel a certain number of times, will it actually make him a good quarterback? Or maybe it will make YOU finally believe he's a good quarterback? What's the magic number - 1000 posts? 10,000? Not 15,000,000 I hope.



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- orange - Still happily Casselless for 51 years and counting.

[RippedmyFlesh]

[quote=orange;5796912]You realize that article you posted is quoting Chris "Half-Cocked" Mortensen?

How's coach Shanahan working out for you guys?




p.s. If you guys post that McDaniels wanted Cassel a certain number of times, will it actually make him a good quarterback? Or maybe it will make YOU finally believe he's a good quarterback? What's the magic number - 1000 posts? 10,000? Not 15,000,000 I hope.


Is cutler's word good enough for you?

Cutler, the face of this franchise, isn’t convinced that the Broncos aren’t still trying to trade him.

“I’m upset. I mean, I’m really shocked at this point,” Cutler told The Post. “I could see why they want Cassel. I don’t know if they think I can’t run the system or I don’t have the skills for it. Or if they don’t think they can sign me with my next contract. I just don’t know what it is. I’ve heard I’m still on the trading block.”




Cutler’s agent, Bus Cook, said his client had every right to be upset with the Broncos for even entertaining an offer for the Pro Bowl quarterback.

“Because that’s a vote of no confidence in the guy,” Cook told The Associated Press on Sunday. “I don’t care if you’re talking about trading him for Matt Cassel, Matt Ryan or Tom Brady. That’s a vote of no confidence in him, and that’s how Jay sees it and I would, too.

“I don’t know if they were actively seeking to trade Jay, but on the other hand, I don’t know that they were turning a deaf ear to potential offers, either.”

Even if the Broncos didn’t initiate the trade talks, Cook argued that Cutler has every right to be upset.

“What led people to believe that there’s a possibility that Jay Cutler could be traded? Somewhere somebody had to give the inclination that he’s on the block,” Cook said. “Why else would you call? Nobody’s going to call the Giants and ask for Eli. Nobody’s calling the Colts asking about Peyton. Brady? Come on. So, why call Denver and ask about Jay?

“And if they do call, why not say, ’That’s not for discussion. What else do you want?”’

A Broncos spokesman told The AP on Sunday that neither McDaniels, newly promoted general manager Brian Xanders nor team owner Pat Bowlen would have anything else to say publicly about the matter.

The organization felt it had adequately addressed the issue by talking to The Post and didn’t want to perpetuate the story, team spokesman Patrick Smyth said.

It’s certain however, to have long, long legs in this football-crazed state where John Elway won two Super Bowls in the 1990s and where Cutler raised eyebrows last season by comparing his arm strength to that of Elway in his prime.

It was all anybody wanted to debate on sports talk radio Sunday, not the free agency signing of seven-time Pro Bowl safety Brian Dawkins.


http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/29457479/

The matt cassel situation is nothing more than mere speculation...

A red herring at best....

the only interest with cassel was with his familiarity of the Amoeba Offense.

Cause lets face it...

With all the offesive weapons in Denver any QB will do at this point.

[orange]

Originally Posted by RippedmyFlesh

Is cutler's word good enough for you?

"I was surprised they decided to trade me this soon," Cutler told Glazer in his first comments since the statement was released. "I didn't want to get traded. This wasn't me. (The Broncos) had been going back and forth saying things, wanting me to be their quarterback and then they didn't."

"I really didn't want this. I love Denver. I really like my teammates. I didn't want it to get this far."

Is Cutler's word good enough for me? - NO

[orange]

Don't even bother posting more - there are about a dozen 100+ post threads about the whole mess. It's all been said. I made my own anti-Cutler and anti-Cook views very clear.

And none of it makes Cassel any better than half-a-second-rounder.

Originally Posted by orange

Don't even bother posting more - there are about a dozen 100+ post threads about the whole mess. It's all been said. I made my own anti-Cutler and anti-Cook views very clear.

And none of it makes Cassel any better than half-a-second-rounder.

Give any QB those weapons in NE..

I mean didn't that offense break every NFL record in 2007?

No probowlers in KC on offense..

I can't decide..

Is cassel Scott Mitchell? Steve Bono? or Elvis Grabc?

caessel is going get punished behind that line...

In fact I bet by week 7 Tyler Thigpen or whoever the backup is
will be starting....

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by The Bronco Rob

Give any QB those weapons in NE..

I mean didn't that offense break every NFL record in 2007?

No probowlers in KC on offense..

I can't decide..

Is cassel Scott Mitchell? Steve Bono? or Elvis Grabc?

caessel is going get punished behind that line...

In fact I bet by week 7 Tyler Thigpen or whoever the backup is
will be starting....

This is a moronic argument coming from a team who's fans tried to claim that they had one of the very best offenses in the NFL. After all, one could just swap Cassel's name for Cutler and make the same argument:

Given those weapons in Denver....

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

This is a moronic argument coming from a team who's fans tried to claim that they had one of the very best offenses in the NFL. After all, one could just swap Cassel's name for Cutler and make the same argument:

Given those weapons in Denver....

The 2008 Denver Broncos had the NFLs 2nd Ranked offense.

That feat acomplished with a commity of seven different running backs.

Cassel has zero probowlers on offense..

Heck... on defense for that matter in kansas city.

cassel goes from driving a F-1 race car to a Yugo in less than a year.

[crazychiefsfan]

How many college back ups get drafted.... non that i know of

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by The Bronco Rob

The 2008 Denver Broncos had the NFLs 2nd Ranked offense.

That feat acomplished with a commity of seven different running backs.

Cassel has zero probowlers on offense..

Heck... on defense for that matter in kansas city.

cassel goes from driving a F-1 race car to a Yugo in less than a year.

Again, substitute Cutler for Cassel. Are you really this stupid, or is it just part of the troll act?

[crazychiefsfan]

Originally Posted by The Bronco Rob

Heck... on defense for that matter in kansas city.

cassel goes from driving a F-1 race car to a Yugo in less than a year.

Hey Yoda was a good actor!!!!!!

[milkman]

Originally Posted by orange

Don't even bother posting more - there are about a dozen 100+ post threads about the whole mess. It's all been said. I made my own anti-Cutler and anti-Cook views very clear.

And none of it makes Cassel any better than half-a-second-rounder.

I am not arguing that Cassel is going to be a great QB.

I was opposed to the trade that brought him here and hoped for a different QB.

However, regardless of the compensation that your dumbass HC was willing to give up for Cassel, he was willing to give up Cutler to get him.

The end result is that the Chiefs ended up with the QB he wanted, he lost Cutler, ended up with a sorry excuse for a game manager.

You guys may not want to admit it, but the fact is, you are ****ed at QB, and your 2nd ranked offense is going to suffer.

[Hammock Parties]

I'm getting really tired of Cassel being dismissed just because he played with Moss and Welker.

The guy can play, period.