Chiefs Gaither will get his first look at left tackle - Page 6

keg in kc · 08-14-2011, 05:30 PM

Few ways to look at it. It may be competition, it may be a condition of his signing that he works the left side, they may think it's best for his initial work and conditioning/recovery after the injury to work at the position he's most familiar with and best suited for.

I don't think it could possibly be a bad thing if his back is miraculously 100% and we're suddenly handed a top tier LT for what amounts to chump change. Competition aside, Albert himself has a tendency to get dinged and miss a game or two, so it's not like we can't use the depth.

RedThat · 08-14-2011, 05:40 PM

No wonder we were ranked 30th in pass offense?

Our offensive tackles can't pass block worth a damn.

*This doesn't all hinge on Cassel.

milkman · 08-14-2011, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by RedThat

No wonder we were ranked 30th in pass offense?

Our offensive tackles can't pass block worth a damn.

*This doesn't all hinge on Cassel.

No, but neither does it all hinge in the O-Line.

Cassel still holds onto the ball too damn long, and I can't even begin to count the times I counted to 5,6, even 7 before Cassel got rid if the ball, felt pressure or was sacked.

Game after game in the chat, I would point it out.

There were also numerous times when the DL broke through virtually unmolested, but not nearly as much as many seem to think.

keg in kc · 08-14-2011, 05:48 PM

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No, but neither does it all hinge in the O-Line.

Cassel still holds onto the ball too damn long, and I can't even begin to count the times I counted to 5,6, even 7 before Cassel got rid if the ball, felt pressure or was sacked.

Game after game in the chat, I would point it out.

There were also numerous times when the DL broke through virtually unmolested, but not nearly as much as many seem to think.

Maybe there weren't as many of these as I remember, either, but there seemed to be a lot of pressure that came from what looked like missed assignments, and probably a third of the time watching at home it's impossible to tell who really screwed up, at least for me. That kind of stuff I chalk up to coaching (not a big Muir fan, although you do have to give him credit for the run game).

There did seem to be more than a few jailbreak opportunities right up the middle, too, of the variety you mentioned. Where the line breaks down to the point where it looked like a screen play. But it wasn't.

Ugly ugly plays, those.

milkman · 08-14-2011, 05:52 PM

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Maybe there weren't as many of these as I remember, either, but there seemed to be a lot of pressure that came from what looked like missed assignments, and probably a third of the time watching at home it's impossible to tell who really screwed up, at least for me. That kind of stuff I chalk up to coaching (not a big Muir fan).

There did seem to be more than a few jailbreak opportunities right up the middle, too, of the variety you mentioned. Where the line breaks down to the point where it looked like a screen play. But it wasn't.

Ugly ugly plays, those.

Yeah, there were a (substantial) number of times when it appeared that either Albert or Richardson thought that someone was supposed to pick up a rusher on the edge, and no one did.

And Lilja was the only one of the interior lineman who seemed not to get consistently owned by the more powerful interior D-Linemen, but even he struggled with that.

milkman · 08-14-2011, 05:41 PM

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We should hold the bar that high and if your ok with mediocre line play then your ok with being one and done in the playoffs. If we constantly have to play TE's over our tackles because they can't handle a speed rusher one on one then we might as well be playing with 10 players on the offense. I promise a mediocre line doesn't relate to perennial super bowl contenders and as a fan that's what I want.

Aaron Rodgers and the Green Bay Packers disagree with you.

As a matter if fact, Ben Roethlisberger and the Pittsburgh Steelers disagree with you, as well.

I've said it many times.

Give me a top 5 defense and a franchise QB, and I will take my chances against the rest of the league.

Clearly, those aren't the only ingredients to a SB championship and a perennial SB contender, but they are the two best ingredients.

Hammock Parties · 08-14-2011, 06:01 PM

Gunther was in love with Eric Hicks, that was why Holliday started backing up Allen at RDE of all places.

Only Gunther would play a 6-5, 300 lb guy at RDE in a 4-3.

The biggest problem with that D was a lack of elite talent. Allen was still developing. No one else on that D was close to elite. Mostly it was solid players.

Hammock Parties · 08-14-2011, 06:31 PM

Gaither Albert Hudson Asamoah 1ST ROUND RIGHT TACKLE!

Beastyl!

royr17 · 08-14-2011, 06:44 PM

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Gaither Albert Hudson Asamoah 1ST ROUND RIGHT TACKLE!

Beastyl!

Well the only problem with this is that you simply just dont draft right tackles in the 1st round. left tackles, sure, right tackles, good right tackles can be had in the 2nd, 3rd, and even later rounds.

chiefzilla1501 · 08-14-2011, 07:00 PM

I'm not a big fan of moving Albert to RT. But that conversation has changed with Gaither on the roster.

I think it would be stupid to put anybody BUT Albert or Gaither at RT. Lilja is just fine at Left Guard. For those who worry that Albert or Gaither aren't going to be that great, remember that the bar is set really low. For this year, what I want is a Right Tackle to come in and play better than Barry Richardson.

Gaither can do that right away. It will take Albert at least a half season to adjust to just using his hands differently.

I think you HAVE to stick with Albert at LT and Gaither at RT. Because if it's the other way around, one of those two is going to have to sit on the bench while Richardson starts. And plus it buys Albert one more year. Let's not forget that if Albert struggles this season, then we can just as easily move Gaither to LT next offseason and Albert to RT (when Albert has a few months to learn the new position)

Mr. Laz · 08-14-2011, 06:35 PM

Interesting ... i assume that Gaither will initially be the backup swing OT. Start off at LT and then work in at RT.

Although if Gaither stays healthy and Albert continues to be mediocre there are going to be a lot of 'Albert isn't a RT' people pissed off because i see Albert replacing Richardson at RT before replacing Lilja at LG.

aturnis · 08-14-2011, 06:45 PM

I don't understand how people can praise his footwork then admit he struggles against speed rushers in the same thought. If he had such good footwork, that would be a strong point for him. He handles bull rushes and power just fine.

ChiefsCountry · 08-14-2011, 06:49 PM

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I don't understand how people can praise his footwork then admit he struggles against speed rushers in the same thought. If he had such good footwork, that would be a strong point for him. He handles bull rushes and power just fine.

Its mental more than the physical with the speed rushers.

milkman · 08-14-2011, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Its mental more than the physical with the speed rushers.

I've said this before, but it seems he's thinking so much, that he's slow coming out of his stance at the snap on pass plays.

That's not a problem on running plays.

philfree · 08-14-2011, 07:12 PM

I heard Gaither and some how it became a song.

They were tailgating in the parking lot
They were eating up some bar-b-q
Then we signed Gaither and a half an hout later
He was puking all over Todd Haleys shoes

I said the Chiefs don't want no freaks
The Chiefs don't want no freaks

Knowing all the while he'd bust out in style
The Chiefs don't want no freaks

08-14-2011, 05:30 PM	#1
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RedThat Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Earth Casino cash: $10004900	No wonder we were ranked 30th in pass offense? Our offensive tackles can't pass block worth a damn. *This doesn't all hinge on Cassel.
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chiefzilla1501 In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2008 Casino cash: $1554497	I'm not a big fan of moving Albert to RT. But that conversation has changed with Gaither on the roster. I think it would be stupid to put anybody BUT Albert or Gaither at RT. Lilja is just fine at Left Guard. For those who worry that Albert or Gaither aren't going to be that great, remember that the bar is set really low. For this year, what I want is a Right Tackle to come in and play better than Barry Richardson. Gaither can do that right away. It will take Albert at least a half season to adjust to just using his hands differently. I think you HAVE to stick with Albert at LT and Gaither at RT. Because if it's the other way around, one of those two is going to have to sit on the bench while Richardson starts. And plus it buys Albert one more year. Let's not forget that if Albert struggles this season, then we can just as easily move Gaither to LT next offseason and Albert to RT (when Albert has a few months to learn the new position)
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Mr. Laz Don't Tease Me Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: KS Casino cash: $11047037	Interesting ... i assume that Gaither will initially be the backup swing OT. Start off at LT and then work in at RT. Although if Gaither stays healthy and Albert continues to be mediocre there are going to be a lot of 'Albert isn't a RT' people pissed off because i see Albert replacing Richardson at RT before replacing Lilja at LG. __________________
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aturnis MVP Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Iowa Casino cash: $9975811	I don't understand how people can praise his footwork then admit he struggles against speed rushers in the same thought. If he had such good footwork, that would be a strong point for him. He handles bull rushes and power just fine.
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