Marlins have made 10-year offer to Pujols

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Ken_RosenthalKen Rosenthal

Confirmed: #Marlins have made 10-year offer to Pujols. Source says two sides trying to work through no-trade issue. MORE #MLB

[Mi_chief_fan]

Originally Posted by jd1020

Same could be asked about the Cardinals, after Wainwright/Carpenter.

Garcia, Lohse & Westbrook better than Vosted, Nolasco & whomever else they plug in, plus Lynn & Miller close to bigs.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by O.city

Are you serious.


Garcia is a solid 3.

They have the top two ranked pitching prospects in the minor leagues.

I forgot minor league prospects started in the ML.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by O.city

Are you serious.


Garcia is a solid 3.

They have the top two ranked pitching prospects in the minor leagues.

Annibel Sanchez is a nice young pitcher. Ricky Nolasco is a high-octane version of Kyle Lohse.

The problem with the Marlins rotation is that Johnson is never healthy. The Marlins rotation, when Johnson could pitch, was better than the one that the Cardinals just won a World Series with last year.

Their bullpen sucks and their 'star' is a surly prima-donna, but they have some pieces on that team that could do some damage. Logan Morrison and Mike Stanton are two very good OFers. If Reyes is healthy and Hanley isn't a tool, the Marlins offense would be the best in the NL.

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by Bump

um, cause baseball is a monopolized "sport"

Admit it. Even you realize that this was a stupid post.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Mi_chief_fan

Garcia, Lohse & Westbrook better than Vosted, Nolasco & whomever else they plug in, plus Lynn & Miller close to bigs.

Garcia, Lohse and Westbrook is not as good as the Vazquez, Sanchez, Nolasco, Volstead group they ran out there last season.

Even without Vazquez, Garcia, Lohse and Westbrook is pretty much identical to Sanchez, Nolasco and Volstead, with the latter 3 having a little more upside.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Annibel Sanchez is a nice young pitcher. Ricky Nolasco is a high-octane version of Kyle Lohse.

The problem with the Marlins rotation is that Johnson is never healthy. The Marlins rotation, when Johnson could pitch, was better than the one that the Cardinals just won a World Series with last year.

Their bullpen sucks and their 'star' is a surly prima-donna, but they have some pieces on that team that could do some damage. Logan Morrison and Mike Stanton are two very good OFers. If Reyes is healthy and Hanley isn't a tool, the Marlins offense would be the best in the NL.

So you think if both rotations are healthy, the Marlins would be better than the Cards with Carpenter, Wainwright, Garcia, Jackson,Lohse?

I know Jackson isn't gonna be here next year but for shits and giggles.

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Source: #STLCards willing to trade Lohse or Westbrook. Confirms report by @Buster_ESPN. #MLB

[Carlota69]

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan

Ken_RosenthalKen Rosenthal

Source: #STLCards willing to trade Lohse or Westbrook. Confirms report by @Buster_ESPN. #MLB

Making room...

[jd1020]

I dont think anyone is going to be knocking on Lohse's door. 12mil for a #3-4?

[ChiefsCountry]

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan

Ken_RosenthalKen Rosenthal

Source: #STLCards willing to trade Lohse or Westbrook. Confirms report by @Buster_ESPN. #MLB

Of course they would, they both suck.

[Skyy God]

Originally Posted by veist

Even if Lozano wasn't a raging dickbag he'd be telling him that, he's started his own agency and is in direct competition with Boras/Fielder this offseason. Now if Albert is letting his raging dickbag of an agent make his decisions for him then, that's his own damn problem.

Lozano is apparently cash strapped. I don't know how agents work, but if it's anything like similarly situated attorneys, they'll encourage their client to take the money as quickly as possible.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by O.city

So you think if both rotations are healthy, the Marlins would be better than the Cards with Carpenter, Wainwright, Garcia, Jackson,Lohse?

I know Jackson isn't gonna be here next year but for shits and giggles.

That's a pretty bizarre hypothetical given that Wainwright and Jackson never pitched together.

Further, the 2011 Cardinals got precisely zero innings from Adam Wainwright, so he's not terribly relevant to that discussion either.

In 2012, the Cardinals rotation of Wainwright, Carpenter, Garcia, Lohse and Westbrook will be better than the Marlins rotation of Johnson, Sanchez, Nolasco, Volstead and #5, but lets not act like it's a walk-away.

We don't know what WW will come back as next season anymore than we know about Johnson. When they're both healthy, they're comparable. Carpenter, for as fantastic as he was from September on, was mediocre prior to that. He's probably going to be the oldest SP in the national league next season and he's thrown a TON of innings over the last 2; I expect a significant regression from him. If Sanchez can stay as effective as he was in the 1st half, Sanchez could have a better year. Nolasco is a maddening headcase, but he's also capable of striking out 16 batters in a game. Let's not act like Garcia's the most consistent or unflappable guy in the majors himself; Nolasco could easily have a better year. Lohse is what he is; a pretty good pitcher with a weak stomach; he's a suitable #3 but you want him no higher.. He's better than Volstead and that's pretty much the only clear 'victory'. Westbrook is dogshit. Complete and utter dogshit. I hate him, I hate his family, I hate his pets. At least the current Marlins #5 (Hand) has some upside if he would stop walking guys.

Yeah, the Cardinals probably have a better rotation, but it's not like we're lapping the field here.

[Titty Meat]

Nobody cares.

[Frazod]

Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini

Nobody cares.

A lot more people care about the best team in the area in any sport by a wide margin over those who care about the cornhumpers.

[Mi_chief_fan]

Originally Posted by jd1020

I forgot minor league prospects started in the ML.

Didn't catch Lynn in the postseason, eh?