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Old 06-18-2012, 08:09 PM  
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If you are looking for one NFL player that is capable of a breakout season in 2012 then look no farther than Kansas City Chiefs linebacker Justin Houston.

The Chiefs drafted Houston in the third round out of Georgia and getting him there was a steal. Houston was projecting as a mid-first round pick before he tested positive for marijuana use at the NFL scouting combine. Teams backed away from a player stupid enough to smoke weed so close to such an important event but the Chiefs felt that Houston’s value was too great to pass on in round three. They also felt that, after talking with Houston, that there wouldn’t be any future trouble.

So far, KC’s investment is paying off big time.

Houston got off to a slow start last season (what Chiefs player didn’t) but by the end of the year he had forced his way into the starting lineup and soon he became an every-down player. In fact, Houston’s numbers and grades from Pro Football Focus indicated that he could be a monster in 2012. First, take a look at Houston’s overall grades from 2012.

Houston’s first four weeks were crap. After that he didn’t play as much and when he did he was average. Then, from Week 10 on, save a slip-up against the eventual AFC Champion Patriots, Houston was a beast. He finished the season with an overall grade of +6.8.

Yet there was a clear moment when Houston “got it” and it appeared to come around Week 10. We were tracking Houston’s progress here on AA and we had already noticed he had gone from bad to average and correctly predicted that he was about to turn the corner.*

*This is just one of the many reasons you should subscribe to premium stats at Pro Football Focus.

So what kind of season might Houston have in 2012? Chances are he could be even better than he was from Week 10 on of last season. But what if he was just equally as good? What would his numbers look like?

In 2011,Houston finished the year with six sacks, three QB hits, 13 QB hurries, three batted passes, 45 tackles and 32 stops.*

*The official NFL numbers credit Houston for a few more tackles. They also credit him with -.5 a sack. We’re using PFF numbers here because we believe them to be more accurate. PFF doesn’t give out 1/2 sacks. If two players get there at the same time, they both get credit for a sack.

His grades from PFF were as follows:

Overall: +6.8, Run D: +7.4, Pass Coverage: -7.6

If we take his numbers from Week 10 on, average them out and project them for an entire season, they look like this.

12 sacks

4 QB Hits

22 QB Hurries

58 Tackles

50 Stops

+33.4 Overall Grade

How does that +33.4 overall grade stack up against all 3-4 OLB from 2011?

It would be good for #3 in the entire NFL behind only Cameron Wake (+43.5) and Aldon Smith (+36.4) and ahead of players like Demarcus Ware (+32.6) and even Tamba Hali (+31.4).

The 50 stops?

Yeah, that’d be the best in the NFL.

The stops are really important because those are plays basically blown up by Houston. Add to that 12 sacks and you’ve got yourself an absolute force at OLB opposite Tamba Hali.

2012 will be Houston’s second season in Romeo Crennel’s defense. He’ll likely benefit from a full offseason of work and a more structured preseason plan from Romeo Crennel rather than Todd Haley’s “we’ll take it slow approach.” Houston should be ready right out of the gate this season and if he can string together 17 weeks of play comparable to his last eight weeks of football in 2011, the Kansas City Chiefs defense is going to be very, very good.

And Justin Houston could be heading to the Pro Bowl.
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Old 06-20-2012, 04:55 PM   #76
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Von Miller is an excellent run defender when he doesn't have his mind set on pass rushing. Really the only time he got killed against the run was on runs out of the shotgun. He would fly off the edge and the running back would run inside of the RT.

Von will be better than Houston at everything for the entirety of their careers.
This is a dumbshit comparison.

Von Miller is a 240-pound guy with a certain skillset.

Justin Houston is a 270-pound guy with a completely different skillset.

One is a 4-3 OLB, the other is a 3-4 OLB.

Their responsibilities are not the same, they are not asked to do the same things.

Houston would struggle to cover RBs out of the backfield, Miller would get ****ing killed if he had to take on linemen every play.
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Old 06-20-2012, 04:57 PM   #77
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Von Miller does not suck. But Houston does not either, and showed at the tail end of an abortion of a season for KC that he was coming on and looks to be a force. What's so wrong with just admitting that? Pick 2 is better than pick 70, but not by a huge margin...and we'll see what this season brings.
Good post. Completely agree.

None of us here are saying Houston is better than Miller. Unfortunately, these 2 ignorant, smug donkey fans think that every donkey player is far superior.
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Old 06-20-2012, 04:58 PM   #78
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Von Miller is an excellent run defender when he doesn't have his mind set on pass rushing. Really the only time he got killed against the run was on runs out of the shotgun. He would fly off the edge and the running back would run inside of the RT.

Von will be better than Houston at everything for the entirety of their careers.
And you will be a welching little bitch for the rest of your life that people laugh about as soon as you leave a room.

As to your post, You have ZERO objectivity in any of your takes regarding KC or Denver...no point in discussing further.
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This is a dumbshit comparison.

Von Miller is a 240-pound guy with a certain skillset.

Justin Houston is a 270-pound guy with a completely different skillset.

One is a 4-3 OLB, the other is a 3-4 OLB.

Their responsibilities are not the same, they are not asked to do the same things.

Houston would struggle to cover RBs out of the backfield, Miller would get ****ing killed if he had to take on linemen every play.
Naw man. In Madden his 99 in every category Von teleports through the lineman and is unstoppable....He also edited Houston down to a 60.
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If we want to compare Von and Justin, it's only fair to point out that Von Miller was shit his last five games, and Justin Houston was peaking his last five games.

PFF totals for their last 5 games:

Houston: +10.5 overall, +5.3 run defense, +8.1 pass rush, 6 sacks, 10 hurries, 16 stops

Miller: -4.0 overall, +0.3 run defense, -1.8 pass rush, 1 sack, 8 hurries, 3 stops.

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I've tried telling those homers that, but all they do is cry about his "injury"
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Old 06-20-2012, 05:24 PM   #82
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If we want to compare Von and Justin, it's only fair to point out that Von Miller was shit his last five games, and Justin Houston was peaking his last five games.

PFF totals for their last 5 games:

Houston: +10.5 overall, +5.3 run defense, +8.1 pass rush, 6 sacks, 10 hurries, 16 stops

Miller: -4.0 overall, +0.3 run defense, -1.8 pass rush, 1 sack, 8 hurries, 3 stops.

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lol

You realize that the "last five games" aren't the same timeframe, what with those pesky playoff games. And if you're trying to do what's "only fair," perhaps don't cherrypick data, but look at all the data available.

Houston's best game in those last 5 was a +3.8. Von beat that mark 9 times last season.
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I'm not cherry picking, because I'm not trying to make the case that Houston is better. He's not.

It's inaccurate to say "Von's worst is better than Houston's best," though.

Von Miller had an awesome season, Justin Houston had a very good half season.

More than likely both will be in the top 10 at their position group in the years to come. So you can stop with the "Von Miller shits all over Justin Houston" talk.

Especially if you look at their last five outings (and the time frame really makes no difference).
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I'm not cherry picking, because I'm not trying to make the case that Houston is better. He's not.

It's inaccurate to say "Von's worst is better than Houston's best," though.

Von Miller had an awesome season, Justin Houston had a very good half season.

More than likely both will be in the top 10 at their position group in the years to come. So you can stop with the "Von Miller shits all over Justin Houston" talk.

Especially if you look at their last five outings (and the time frame really makes no difference).
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Seriously guys?
Are you really arguing with Knowmo?
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Ooops. It's Hef this time. But I did see some Nuh ughhhs going on with Knowmo too.
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Yeah, noticed that after I had written it. The Houston pick was a great, great pick. He's gonna rape face this season.
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If we want to compare Von and Justin, it's only fair to point out that Von Miller was shit his last five games, and Justin Houston was peaking his last five games.
Yeah, cherry pick your stats. Check the overall season grade and Von is better in EVERY category and will be until Justin Houston gets kicked out of the league for being a pot head.

You say it's fair to point out that Von Miller was shit his last five games, but you weren't fair at all. You know exactly why Von's play tailed off at the end of the year and it had nothing to do with him sucking and everything to do with him playing with one hand.

Check out Elvis Dumervil's stats in 2008. He broke a bone in his hand week 1 against the Raiders and his production dropped mightily. The following year he led the league in sacks. He has said numerous times that a hand injury is the toughest injury for a pass rusher to play with.
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Dude, no one is saying Houston is better than Von.

Try a little reading comprehension.

The point is: the gap between the two is not as wide as the Grand Canyon.
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