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Yes, if we are gonna lose him anyway, lets get something for him 71 65.14%
No, tag him again in hopes of re-signing him after the year 34 31.19%
Gaz says it doesnt matter either way because Cassel is our QB. 4 3.67%
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Old 08-02-2012, 03:00 PM  
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Would You be OK With Trading Bowe For a 1st?
Lets say a contract cant be worked out because Pioli and Bowe are too far apart and it looks like Bowe will walk after this year or the only way to retain him is to tag him again.

Bowe has a 1100 yard season with 8-10 TDs and Baldwin has just over 1000 yards and has 7-9 TDs...would you be OK with trading Bowe to a team like Cleveland, NY or Miami for a single first round pick before next year starts?

The first round pick would fall into the 15-20 range.
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Old 08-02-2012, 03:53 PM   #76
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Please explain this to me.

Quarterbacks make the wide receivers.
matt Cassel is Dwayne Bowe's quarterback.
Bowe is consistently good.

Using your logic, Matt Cassel has made Dwayne Bowe. If that's the case why do we need a new quarterback?
People who diet and exercise become thin.
You are thin.
Therefore, you must diet and exercise.

No...you're just naturally thin, and despite having a diet of mayonnaise and gin, you manage to not put on weight. When your natural ability to do so declines, the weakness of your cunning plan will be revealed.

No one is arguing that no wide receiver has ever been good, they just have good quarterbacks.

What we are arguing is that it is MORE valuable to have an excellent quarterback and mediocre receivers than excellent receivers and a mediocre quarterback. When your flaw is at the point of origination (the QB), you will not have a single part of your system that isn't flawed.
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Old 08-02-2012, 03:55 PM   #77
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If you don't understand the relationship between QB and WR, wtf is the point of explaining anything?
What exactly is that relationship? That they both need to be good?

I understand that just fine. You did not say that. You said the quarterback makes the wr not the other way around. If that's the case, Cassell has made Bowe a probowler. Why do we need to get rid of him?

Your words, your logic. Please explain that to me or perhaps you can call me ignorant again as a copout.
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Old 08-02-2012, 03:55 PM   #78
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why would someone give a 1st for a player no better than Antonio Brown?



makes no sense
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Old 08-02-2012, 03:56 PM   #79
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What exactly is that relationship? That they both need to be good?

I understand that just fine. You did not say that. You said the quarterback makes the wr not the other way around. If that's the case, Cassell has made Bowe a probowler. Why do we need to get rid of him?

Your words, your logic. Please explain that to me or perhaps you can call me ignorant again as a copout.
Bowe is a Pro Bowler with Cassel.

With Rodgers he might be a HoFer...

Get a clue.

Would you know Wes Welkers name without Tom Brady?
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Old 08-02-2012, 03:57 PM   #80
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You're missing the point. Luck is a QB you trade up for. RGIII is a QB you trade up for.

However Barkley, Jones, Wilson, Bray, I would not.
WTF?

I can understand Jones hatred, but I like those other qbs quite a bit.

Keep saying dumb shit and you are gonna get labeled another CoMoChief or something...
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Old 08-02-2012, 03:58 PM   #81
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Please explain this to me.

Quarterbacks make the wide receivers.
matt Cassel is Dwayne Bowe's quarterback.
Bowe is consistently good.

Using your logic, Matt Cassel has made Dwayne Bowe. If that's the case why do we need a new quarterback?
Actually, I think Damon Huard made Bowe.
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WTF?

I can understand Jones hatred, but I like those other qbs quite a bit.

Keep saying dumb shit and you are gonna get labeled another CoMoChief or something...
I'm simply floored that people still don't understand what it takes for a team to acquire a top rookie QB in a draft these days.

It's going to be a LONG time before someone with Ben Roethlisberger's talent falls to a team like the Chiefs in the teens/20s again. Those are NOT options.
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Old 08-02-2012, 04:01 PM   #83
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Bowe isn't even worth a second, maybe a 3rd, but if we can find some team stupid enough to give us a 1st, send him packing.
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Bowe was given the non-exclusive tag this offseason. 31 teams had the opportunity to trade for him and give up a R1 pick.

No one stepped up. Why would anyone think a team would do so now?

Thanks to the new CBA and the value of Day One picks compared to a few years ago, the days of trading 1st round picks is over, IMO. At least trading 1st round picks for players. You'll still see teams give them up for draft picks.

You're going to see more and more deals like Brandon Marshall's, where a team is willing to give up multiple mid-round picks.

1st round picks are more valuable than they've ever been - teams are going to hang on to them unless it nets them a high pick (RGIII) in return.
You have to give up 2 first round picks for a franchised player.

The only difference between a non exclusive and exclusive franchise tag is that non exclusive can negotiate with other teams while exclusive cant.

You are mixing up franchise tag with a tender offer similar to what is up for Wallace, I think.

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why would someone give a 1st for a player no better than Antonio Brown?



makes no sense
link or just continue to lie to suit your foolish agenda.

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People who diet and exercise become thin.
You are thin.
Therefore, you must diet and exercise.

No...you're just naturally thin, and despite having a diet of mayonnaise and gin, you manage to not put on weight. When your natural ability to do so declines, the weakness of your cunning plan will be revealed.

No one is arguing that no wide receiver has ever been good, they just have good quarterbacks.

What we are arguing is that it is MORE valuable to have an excellent quarterback and mediocre receivers than excellent receivers and a mediocre quarterback. When your flaw is at the point of origination (the QB), you will not have a single part of your system that isn't flawed.
The problem with that logic is that you did not say it's the only way to become thin. To make an airtight assumption you would have to say "only people who diet and exercise become thin" or the quarterback makes the wide receiver.

I can do this for days,all I want is the ignorant ass to admit its more than one or another, its the combination of the 2.
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Also take into account that the only reason we are currently under the cap by 15 million is because we got to rollover 20 million from last year.

That was a one time thing.
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Bowe is a Pro Bowler with Cassel.

With Rodgers he might be a HoFer...

Get a clue.

Would you know Wes Welkers name without Tom Brady?
Ah so now you include assumptions as part of your argument. Please name that awesome quarterback who was throwing to steve Largent.
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Ah so now you include assumptions as part of your argument. Please name that awesome quarterback who was throwing to steve Largent.
It's an assumption to think Bowe would be better with Rodgers?

Holy shit...
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It's an assumption to think Bowe would be better with Rodgers?

Holy shit...
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A thing that is accepted as true or as certain to happen, without proof: "they made certain assumptions about the market".

You're not very good at this. Perhaps a little ignorant.
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You're not very good at this. Perhaps a little ignorant.
I can't believe you are even trying to argue against that. Amazing.

A player that relies on another player to get them the ball at a specific time and location is not going to be better with a QB that is infinitely better at doing both. RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT!
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