Chiefs He's not Cassel, he's Deberg. - Page 6

Chris Meck · 02-28-2013, 11:21 AM

at least, I'd say that's his floor. Either way, it's not good enough to go the distance, which is what we're all pissed about, right?

I assume that Reid thinks he can take Smith to the next level, and perhaps he can. Let's be really clear about the 9'er offense: Kaepernick flourishes for a few physical reasons, and as a centerpiece of the read-option. Smith, being a traditional pocket passer, just ran the normal NFL style offense there. Yes, they ran the ball and played defense-they still do that with Kaepernick. Yes he gets more yardage as the defense has to play him differently. He's also a freak athlete and runs for a lot of yards.

My point is that it's possible Reid CAN get more production out of Smith. It also seems that Reid and Dorsey are unimpressed with Geno and the rest of the possible first round crew. Maybe not though. Maybe they've got a trade down plan in place and have possible partners in line.

The thing that bothers me the most is if they really did give up a #2 and not just swap #2's then we lose the opportunity for a Nassib/Emanuel/Dysert type project. Possibly even a shot at Barkley, who might fall due to the injury.

oldandslow · 02-28-2013, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

That's just bullshit. That's a passive aggressive attempt to marginalize someone else's opinion because you can't have a substantive debate with supporting evidence.

I'm sorry that there is no evidence to suggest that Alex Smith will win with the Chiefs. Look at the landscape of the NFL.

However much you may want that to be true, it doesn't change what is true.

Sure there is. You just don't wanna see it.

**ChiTown** · 02-28-2013, 01:40 PM

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Anyway, I'm done for today. There's only so much arguing you can do when the people who agree with you are too scared of being chastized to post (though I think it's odd that they're OK with repping people silently for it).

As I've said before, ChiefsPlanet has become Fox News. The circle jerk is so strong that people assume everyone else is completely wrong and are surprised when things don't go their way.

BigCatDaddy · 02-28-2013, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by oldandslow

Geno Smith has that projected talent by whom - You and a bunch of other fanboys...Everyone else is saying he is a middle of the first round pick at best.

Alex Smith came very close to getting the 9'ers to the promised land...

logic says he can do so again....

Do you want to name some other guys that went middle of the 1st round? Rodgers, Ben, and Flacco come to mind off the bat. Better not draft those guys 1st! That's not value!

BigCatDaddy · 02-28-2013, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by oldandslow

Geno Smith has that projected talent by whom - You and a bunch of other fanboys...Everyone else is saying he is a middle of the first round pick at best.

Alex Smith came very close to getting the 9'ers to the promised land...

logic says he can do so again....

Logic said Trent Dilfer won a SB so sign him because he can do so again.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-28-2013, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by oldandslow

Geno Smith has that projected talent by whom - You and a bunch of other fanboys...Everyone else is saying he is a middle of the first round pick at best.

Alex Smith came very close to getting the 9'ers to the promised land...

logic says he can do so again....

Is Jim Harbaugh walking through that door? Are Aldon Smith, Justin Smith, and Patrick Willis walking through that door?

I'll tell you who is walking through that door: a guy who went 1-14 on third down when his team needed him to convert. A guy who wasn't wanted by any NFL team in FA last year. A guy who lost his job to JT O'Sullivan, David Carr, and Shaun Hill. A guy who has played a full season twice.

Geno Smith is more mobile than Smith, he's got a better arm than Smith, he's younger than Smith, and he's more accurate downfield than Smith all right now.

Again, it's not about Geno Smith, though, it's about drafting and developing your own QB.

But please, make another wonderful analogy like that LaRussa debacle.

**DaFace** · 02-28-2013, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiTown

My point is pretty much proven by the KC Star's poll:

http://www.kansascity.com/2013/02/27...t-qb-alex.html

Here it is in percentages since their poll software sucks.

I voted C (and gave it a 6 on the 0-10 scale in the poll here). In other words, I am less in favor of this move than a majority of the Chiefs fanbase. That should tell you that SOMETHING is majorly askew.

oldandslow · 02-28-2013, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Logic said Trent Dilfer won a SB so sign him because he can do so again.

What the heck does this have to do with anything?

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-28-2013, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by oldandslow

Sure there is. You just don't wanna see it.

Where?

2004-2013

What is the commonality between all of those QBs?

1) They were all drafted and developed by the team they won a SB with
2) They never lost their job to ineffectiveness or injury.

Alex Smith fits which of those parameters?

BigCatDaddy · 02-28-2013, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by oldandslow

What the heck does this have to do with anything?

You gave Smith credit for being in the AFC title game, by that logic shouldn't teams have been beating down Trent Dilfer's door since he won a Superbowl?

**DeezNutz** · 02-28-2013, 01:46 PM

Is DEB CAPS representative of the Chiefs fanbase? For the most part, hardcore fans post on sites like CP, and these individuals are typically the most informed; they are not the Joe Fans of the world.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-28-2013, 01:46 PM

Jake Plummer once beat Tom Brady in a playoff game and played in an AFCCG. You can win a SB with him too.

Mr. Laz · 02-28-2013, 01:47 PM

Who thinks Alex Smith has anywhere near the heart that Deberg had?

That was Deberg's strongest quality.

oldandslow · 02-28-2013, 01:47 PM

[QUOTE='Hamas' Jenkins;9451431]Is Jim Harbaugh walking through that door? Are Aldon Smith, Justin Smith, and Patrick Willis walking through that door?

I'll tell you who is walking through that door: a guy who went 1-14 on third down when his team needed him to convert. A guy who wasn't wanted by any NFL team in FA last year. A guy who lost his job to JT O'Sullivan, David Carr, and Shaun Hill. A guy who has played a full season twice.

Geno Smith is more mobile than Smith, he's got a better arm than Smith, he's younger than Smith, and he's more accurate downfield than Smith all right now.

Again, it's not about Geno Smith, though, it's about drafting and developing your own QB.

The hell it's not Geno Smith...who else are you gonna draft this year? Tyler Bray?

Geno Smith is younger than A. Smith, I will give you that. Other than that, we have no idea how he will perform on the field. Most "experts" say he is less than stellar.

Oh, and less time I checked, you do have to get into playoffs to win the thing. The more times you get in, the likelihood of winning rises.

Thus the TLR analogy. I am sorry you are too simple to see that.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-28-2013, 01:50 PM

So the goal is just to make the playoffs and then hope to get lucky.

That must be why Tom Brady has been to five Super Bowls and Ben Roethlisberger three. They're just luckier than everyone else.

Your LaRussa analogy, and it's pathetic that I have to tell you what your own post said, was that these guys made odd moves but we should trust them. It said nothing about rolling the dice in the playoffs.

You're either lying to beautify a false point, or you need an MRI.

BigCatDaddy · 02-28-2013, 01:50 PM

[QUOTE=oldandslow;9451448]

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

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Oh, and less time I checked, you do have to get into playoffs to win the thing. The more times you get in, the likelihood of winning rises.

I can't believe a Chief fan actually utter those words.

02-28-2013, 11:21 AM
Chris Meck MVP Join Date: May 2001 Location: midtown KC Casino cash: $1604910	He's not Cassel, he's Deberg. at least, I'd say that's his floor. Either way, it's not good enough to go the distance, which is what we're all pissed about, right? I assume that Reid thinks he can take Smith to the next level, and perhaps he can. Let's be really clear about the 9'er offense: Kaepernick flourishes for a few physical reasons, and as a centerpiece of the read-option. Smith, being a traditional pocket passer, just ran the normal NFL style offense there. Yes, they ran the ball and played defense-they still do that with Kaepernick. Yes he gets more yardage as the defense has to play him differently. He's also a freak athlete and runs for a lot of yards. My point is that it's possible Reid CAN get more production out of Smith. It also seems that Reid and Dorsey are unimpressed with Geno and the rest of the possible first round crew. Maybe not though. Maybe they've got a trade down plan in place and have possible partners in line. The thing that bothers me the most is if they really did give up a #2 and not just swap #2's then we lose the opportunity for a Nassib/Emanuel/Dysert type project. Possibly even a shot at Barkley, who might fall due to the injury.
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'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7929572	Jake Plummer once beat Tom Brady in a playoff game and played in an AFCCG. You can win a SB with him too. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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Mr. Laz Don't Tease Me Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: KS Casino cash: $11047037	Who thinks Alex Smith has anywhere near the heart that Deberg had? That was Deberg's strongest quality. __________________
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02-28-2013, 01:47 PM	#88
oldandslow Veteran Join Date: Apr 2004 Casino cash: $5373149	[QUOTE='Hamas' Jenkins;9451431]Is Jim Harbaugh walking through that door? Are Aldon Smith, Justin Smith, and Patrick Willis walking through that door? I'll tell you who is walking through that door: a guy who went 1-14 on third down when his team needed him to convert. A guy who wasn't wanted by any NFL team in FA last year. A guy who lost his job to JT O'Sullivan, David Carr, and Shaun Hill. A guy who has played a full season twice. Geno Smith is more mobile than Smith, he's got a better arm than Smith, he's younger than Smith, and he's more accurate downfield than Smith all right now. Again, it's not about Geno Smith, though, it's about drafting and developing your own QB. The hell it's not Geno Smith...who else are you gonna draft this year? Tyler Bray? Geno Smith is younger than A. Smith, I will give you that. Other than that, we have no idea how he will perform on the field. Most "experts" say he is less than stellar. Oh, and less time I checked, you do have to get into playoffs to win the thing. The more times you get in, the likelihood of winning rises. Thus the TLR analogy. I am sorry you are too simple to see that.
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'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7929572	So the goal is just to make the playoffs and then hope to get lucky. That must be why Tom Brady has been to five Super Bowls and Ben Roethlisberger three. They're just luckier than everyone else. Your LaRussa analogy, and it's pathetic that I have to tell you what your own post said, was that these guys made odd moves but we should trust them. It said nothing about rolling the dice in the playoffs. You're either lying to beautify a false point, or you need an MRI. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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