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Old 01-01-2014, 09:24 AM  
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Old 01-01-2014, 11:41 AM   #76
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Brees doesn't have an average arm? Ive seen a number of INTs from him when he throws off his back foot because his arm isn't the strongest. Wilson has a much stronger arm.
Look, I don't wish that Manziel fails in the NFL. That is just my opinion. Your saying that Brees has an average arm does make me question how much football you actually watch or how much you understand the game. Brees has a well above average arm and his continued success in the league points to this fact.
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Old 01-01-2014, 11:43 AM   #77
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Old 01-01-2014, 11:46 AM   #78
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Look, I don't wish that Manziel fails in the NFL. That is just my opinion. Your saying that Brees has an average arm does make me question how much football you actually watch or how much you understand the game. Brees has a well above average arm and his continued success in the league points to this fact.
I watch a ton of football. Drew Brees is elite at just about every other QB skill. He is an amazing, HOF QB. Top 10 all-time. His arm strength is average though. It's part of why he's struggled with throwing INTs some years.

I think a late-30s Peyton Manning has proven you don't need a huge arm to put up insane numbers. Peyton's recent QB play has been Brees' whole career.
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Old 01-01-2014, 11:53 AM   #79
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I watch a ton of football. Drew Brees is elite at just about every other QB skill. He is an amazing, HOF QB. Top 10 all-time. His arm strength is average though. It's part of why he's struggled with throwing INTs some years.
His arm is no less strong than Tom Brady, or Peyton Mannings.

Arm strength for the most part, is the most overvalued attribute for a qb.

What sets Brees up for success is he is brilliant in football.

He sees things, he anticipates, his accuracy is as good as anyones in the league.

He has plenty of arm strength, but its the other intangibles that sets him apart.
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I watch a ton of football. Drew Brees is elite at just about every other QB skill. He is an amazing, HOF QB. Top 10 all-time. His arm strength is average though. It's part of why he's struggled with throwing INTs some years.

I think a late-30s Peyton Manning has proven you don't need a huge arm to put up insane numbers. Peyton's recent QB play has been Brees' whole career.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...ng-qbs/page/30

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Old 01-01-2014, 12:03 PM   #81
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Brees has a far superior arm than Manziel and is one of the smartest QBs in the league.
Brees coming out of college vs Manziel now: I would say the zip they put on the ball is about the same. Manziel is way more accurate though. Brees wasnt nearly as accurate with the Chargers as he is with the Saints. He started working on his core strength a few years into his SD career which increased his "arm strength" and after the surgery his ball placement is much improved.
I would not be worried about Manziel's physical skills at all. Just a question of his work ethic and ability to read an NFL defense. He missed some wide open guys yesterday, but still scrambled and made plays.
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Old 01-01-2014, 12:04 PM   #82
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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...ng-qbs/page/30

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Interesting.

IMO, because of his pocket presence, ability to get the ball out quick and get off a clean throw, he more often than not displays good zip and pretty ball. But any average NFL QB can make strong throws from a clean pocket. His amazing mechanics allows him to get everything out of every throw. It's when everything else breaks down that you can see where people have questioned his arm strength.
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Interesting.

IMO, because of his pocket presence, ability to get the ball out quick and get off a clean throw, he more often than not displays good zip and pretty ball. But any average NFL QB can make strong throws from a clean pocket. His amazing mechanics allows him to get everything out of every throw. It's when everything else breaks down that you can see where people have questioned his arm strength.
By people do you mean you? I have never seen anything on TV or in print questioning his arm strength.
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By people do you mean you? I have never seen anything on TV or in print questioning his arm strength.
Because it really doesn't matter in the end. It's a non-issue and he's an elite QB. It's not a noodle arm either... so yeah, it was poorly worded to say that people question it. I just mean people who don't put his arm strength in the same class as Wilson.
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Not true. Would have been 4th and 7 and A&M would have likely scored. Manziel did what he did in 25 minutes of TOP
I'm talking about A&M's takeaways of Duke. One was a pick-six, the other killed a drive. i think if those two picks don't happen, A&M loses.
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