A ton of Kiper tidbits, some involving the Chiefs.

[Direckshun]

If you're a Kiper hater, PLEASE SKIP THIS THREAD.

Conversations about whether Kiper's an idiot bore the shit out of me.

Enjoy the draft nuggets. That is all.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper: Johnny Manziel is the NFL's consensus No. 1 QB http://sbn.to/1aznPXK

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper on Seattle: "Everybody doesn't have the array of talent that the Seahawks do. Everybody's going to copy that and I say good luck."

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper doesn't think Sammy Watkins will slip past the fifth pick.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
I'll have to go back and listen, but now Kiper just said Breeland is a third or fourth rounder.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper on Borland: I don't care how tall he is. He's got great instincts, love his approach. He's going to be a second round pick.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks all three top offensive tackles go in the top 11. He has Robinson No. 2 to St. Louis.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper said the majority of teams have it Robinson, Lewan and Matthews.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks Jake Matthews may be slipping a bit because some teams view him as a right tackle.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper mentioned 3rd round for Austin Seferian-Jenkins, which makes me sad.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks the Ravens should look at Eric Ebron in the first round, if he's not there a WR.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks Bashaud Breeland of Clemson could go in the second round. Whoa.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
2nd round for Kyle Fuller, 3rd or 4th of Antone Exum.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks Logan Thomas could still be a 2nd or 3rd rounder, but he can't play early. Some in the NFL still think he's a 6th rounder.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper: Third to fifth round for Michael Sam. Andrew Wilson Day 3. James Franklin UDFA. Day 3 for the Mizzou WRs depending on workouts.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks Ealy would fit in New Orleans because he's versatile. But he thinks he'll be a late first round pick.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks there will be a lot of centers and guards in the second round for the Colts to get.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper has Morgan Moses as a late first or early second rounder as a right tackle. Thinks Jack Mewhort is a second rounder.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks Zack Martin would be a good pick for Miami and could be in play for Arizona. Cyrus Kouandjio in that range as well.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper says Kelcy Quarles is gaining a lot of momentum and could be a mid second round pick and may rise higher.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
@ChrisBurke_SI That's the oddest part of this call.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper said a lot of teams still have Clowney No. 1 on their boards.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks Clowney, like Manziel, could go No. 1 or No. 3 to get pressure on Andrew Luck in the AFC South.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks Jace Amaro goes late in the first round, maybe to New England with pick No. 29.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks Calvin Pryor may end up being the top safety because he can play free or strong.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper: "I think the next Steve Smith could be Brandin Cooks, who I have going to Carolina with pick No. 28."

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks Bruce Gaston is a fourth rounder but could rise with a good pro day. Thinks Ricardo Allen is a UDFA.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks Stanley Jean-Baptiste is a mid-second rounder and will be the first Nebraska player draft. Now, Purdue questions!

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper doesn't think Lewan gets past Tennessee with pick No. 11.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks Lewan could go No. 2 to St. Louis or to Buffalo at No. 9. In the big board, Kiper thinks he's a top 10 player.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper: Lewan has outstanding feet, balance and pass protection. Me: Uh...

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper on Lewan: He's a heck of a prospect, and I've thought that all along. It wasn't him, it was the interior of the line.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks that by the time the draft happens, Teddy Bridgewater will be underrated. Says Bortles has momentum and Manziel is NFL's No. 1

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper said there's not a consensus in the NFL on Bridgewater. He has it Bridge/Bortles/Manziel but GMs and scouts have them mixed up.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
@bhavikjpatel I'm on a conference call.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper says TIm Jernigan would be "a heck of a pick" for the Bears if he's there. "I don't think DL is something you can wait on."

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper on Clowney being worried about injury in 2013: "That's all he worried about this year, it seems like."

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper on the Browns: They could go QB/WR or WR/QB depending how the ratings work out for them.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
"You see some similarities between Bridgewater and Donovan McNabb." Kiper says he's heard Cleveland has a high opinion of Bridgewater.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks Manziel will go No. 1 or No. 3. He thinks the Browns go with Teddy Bridgewater.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
"For Cleveland, to see Manziel there would be a surprise to me. When you talk to people in the league, he's the consensus No. 1 QB."

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper says WR might be a position the Steelers wait on a little bit in the draft this year because of the depth and what they did last year.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks the Steelers could land the second best corner with their first round pick, whether that's Gilbert or Dennard.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks just two or three first round cornerbacks. "A lot of 2nd and 3rd round coners."

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks the first round would be a nice opportunity for the Chiefs to draft a WR because of the quality of the position.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper mentions Benjamin, Beckham, Adams, Cooks, Landry as guys that would be "viable" for Kansas City.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper: KC could go WR, safety, tight end. If you look at the WR pos, you could see 6-9 in the 1st round. Underclassmen need to test well.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper: "Mack could jump into the mix at No. 3 easily (with a good combine)."

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper starts by talking the importance of the Combine because it gives teams true measurables on underclassmen.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Gotta make sure the Chiefs continue to be the perfect combination of mediocre and boring, amirite?

Look at Seattles last five first round picks. It's nearly identical to KCs, yet one team just won a SB and th other hasn't on a playoff game since I was in grade school.

Position of the players we've taken hasn't been th problem, it's been the player.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Dynamic plays - sacks, strip fumbles, etc - in this defense come from the edge rushers.

We don't need to spend 1st round picks on guys to push the pocket.

You're not going to get a "dynamic playmaker" ala JJ Watt or Justin Smith at #23. Those guys were picked where they were for a reason.

I think that Tuitt, Hageman or Donald can be impact guys up front.
Collapsing the pocket is absolutely worth a first round pick to use on. That's how almost every team has won the SB recently. Their front 7, specifically DL, put a ton of pressure on the QB

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by O.city

Look at Seattles last five first round picks. It's nearly identical to KCs, yet one team just won a SB and th other hasn't on a playoff game since I was in grade school.

Position of the players we've taken hasn't been th problem, it's been the player.

Agree 100%. And dumbasses like Kiper called Bruce Irvin a bad pick and a reach.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by O.city

Look at Seattles last five first round picks. It's nearly identical to KCs, yet one team just won a SB and th other hasn't on a playoff game since I was in grade school.

Position of the players we've taken hasn't been th problem, it's been the player.

Why does everybody keep using the exception to the rule as an example?

And just so it's clear, Seattle runs a 4-3 under. They use the linemen differently than we do.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by RunKC

I think that Tuitt, Hageman or Donald can be impact guys up front.
Collapsing the pocket is absolutely worth a first round pick to use on. That's how almost every team has won the SB recently. Their front 7, specifically DL, put a ton of pressure on the QB

How many of Seattle's guys did they draft in the 1st round?

[Omaha]

I love Landry at WR, but I'm an LSU homer so I have a hard time trusting my own judgement. I also like Hill & Mettenberger if they happen to drop so, yeah, I have a hard time trusting my own judgement here.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Omaha

I love Landry at WR, but I'm an LSU homer so I have a hard time trusting my own judgement. I also like Hill & Mettenberger if they happen to drop so, yeah, I have a hard time trusting my own judgement here.

There's a lot to like about Mettenberger as a late-round developmental prospect.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Agree 100%. And dumbasses like Kiper called Bruce Irvin a bad pick and a reach.

Bruce Irvin play OLB in their scheme. He's not a defensive lineman.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Agree 100%. And dumbasses like Kiper called Bruce Irvin a bad pick and a reach.

Because analysts are supposed to be right 100% of the time? There were a LOT of people at the time calling that pick a reach.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Why does everybody keep using the exception to the rule as an example?

And just so it's clear, Seattle runs a 4-3 under. They use the linemen differently than we do.

We were in subsets something like 67% of the time last year. It's not as if we're always using our DL as occupiers.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by O.city

We were in subsets something like 67% of the time last year. It's not as if we're always using our DL as occupiers.

No, but they're still not going to generate the majority of the pressure.

This team doesn't have a #1 WR and hasn't had one since the 90's. They currently don't have a pass catcher on the team that can stretch the defense or force a game plan.

Despite the fact that it was largely against backup QBs, this team DOES have a defensive line that facilitated have two of the top 5 sack leaders for over half the season, en route to a 9-0 record, allowing less than 17 points per game.

The defense needs mortar. The offense needs BRICKS.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

No, but they're still not going to generate the majority of the pressure.

This team doesn't have a #1 WR and hasn't had one since the 90's. They currently don't have a pass catcher on the team that can stretch the defense or force a game plan.

Despite the fact that it was largely against backup QBs, this team DOES have a defensive line that facilitated have two of the top 5 sack leaders for over half the season, en route to a 9-0 record, allowing less than 17 points per game.

The defense needs mortar. The offense needs BRICKS.

You can also turn that around and replace the offense/defense for the last part of the season.

I'm not sure in an Andy Reid offense, you really need a "#1" WR, especially with SMith's preference to spread the ball around.

While I'm not against adding offensive skill players, this also happens to be a draft extremely deep at WR so that inlies alot of my want to take a defensive player early when there are potentially difference makers available there.

Each draft is different, which is why I refuted the "no JJ Watt available at pick X" to an extent.

I think our OLB, specifically Hali, who's a good player, is overrated at this point in his career and I wouldn't be terribly upset if they looked to replace him early in this draft, specifically if Kony Ealy were to fall to 23 as he could be used in an Aldon Smith in his rookie year, type role.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by O.city

You can also turn that around and replace the offense/defense for the last part of the season.

I'm not sure in an Andy Reid offense, you really need a "#1" WR, especially with SMith's preference to spread the ball around.

While I'm not against adding offensive skill players, this also happens to be a draft extremely deep at WR so that inlies alot of my want to take a defensive player early when there are potentially difference makers available there.

Each draft is different, which is why I refuted the "no JJ Watt available at pick X" to an extent.

I think our OLB, specifically Hali, who's a good player, is overrated at this point in his career and I wouldn't be terribly upset if they looked to replace him early in this draft, specifically if Kony Ealy were to fall to 23 as he could be used in an Aldon Smith in his rookie year, type role.

Are we talking about replacing Hali or drafting Hageman/Tuitt?

Those are 2 completely different things.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Are we talking about replacing Hali or drafting Hageman/Tuitt?

Those are 2 completely different things.

You stated that we have two top 5 pass rushers *or something of that nature, IIRC) and I was offering an opinion that I think Tamba has become overrated by some and that we aren't really set at OLB.

I would draft Hageman as I think he has higher upside earlier than Tuitt, but it depends what we do in free agency as well as I'd hope to see us fill needs in free agency and open up the draft.

[O.city]

A buddy of mine and I were kicking around the idea of trading back into the late first/early second, adding another 3rd and 5th rounder and taking Dee Ford or Aaron Donald.

I wasn't a huge fan of it, but it would make some sense I guess.