Chiefs Giving Alex the 'Joe Flacco Treatment' - Page 6

pugsnotdrugs19 · 06-04-2014, 06:31 PM

The contract talks between the Chiefs and Alex Smith is our big story right now. Especially with his old squad signing Kaepernick today.. this situation gets more and more interesting. A couple of observations of our team...

Defensively, we are as stacked as we are going to be for a long time this season. Chances are we won't play another season with all the talent we currently have on that side again (Hali older, Houston/Berry/Poe with extensions in the nearer future)

Offensively, if all the OTA talk is real and Alex is really playing as well as they say (and the WR's such as Bowe), we are a solid offensive line from perhaps a top 10 offense.

It's fair to say the 'window' is as wide as it will ever be. With possible big contributions from Kelce, Commings, Knile, and other 1st/2nd year players, we may have a Super Bowl bound squad. Which is what leads me to this though: Let the season play out before signing Alex. If he plays well, a playoff win or two? Sign him for 100 million. If he wins a Super Bowl? Give him whatever he wants and a key to the city. If he and the team bombs? Let him walk and use Murray or Bray, use the money to keep our defensive stars.

This is the right plan, imo. Discuss.

OldSchool · 06-05-2014, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by WhiteWhale

I would not.

Finding guys with abilities like Houston and Poe (combined with their youth) is much harder than finding role players and depth.

I think I would rather have two dominant, All-Pro level 5-techs in my 3-4 defense than have 1 dominant young NT and an OLB who's only really good against back-ups and rookies (really hope that changes).

If you have those two dominant DEs who can rush the passer and dominate in the run game in your 3-4 system, it makes everything else a lot easier to get.

I'd trade Houston for Wilkerson or Richardson and stick them next to Poe. Ford would be fine in replacing Houston because of the presence of a dominant 5-tech next to him. It'll allow Ford to really use his speed to his advantage and easily make up for the loss of production from Houston. Hell, we would likely be a better defense if that trade were to go down.

Chief Roundup · 06-05-2014, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

The board that has literally no significance to a person's life or credibility? The board that has multiple so-called fans of this team with literally no faith in their players? I get it we aren't a top 5, maybe even 10 team right now but really? Why use your time on a team so many of you have no confidence in? All of the morons on here who think we have nothing while 90% of the guys getting paid to talk football give us a chance, yeah your opinion sure is something.

Which pundit is picking us to win our division??? NONE
There is only one that I know that is even picking us to end up 2cd in the division. There are a few that are picking us 3rd behind the Donkos and Chargers. But thanks for playing and thinking that you know more than anyone else.
Reality will be coming for you soooooon.

pugsnotdrugs19 · 06-05-2014, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Which pundit is picking us to win our division??? NONE
There is only one that I know that is even picking us to end up 2cd in the division. There are a few that are picking us 3rd behind the Donkos and Chargers. But thanks for playing and thinking that you know more than anyone else.
Reality will be coming for you soooooon.

Antonio Pierce picked us to win it last week. I haven't seen many below 2nd, which if you didn't know can still mean playoffs.

CoMoChief · 06-05-2014, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Count Zarth

This team is stacked defensively?

well 5 Pro Bowlers on defense (6 including Flowers) is stacked.

only problem is there are glaring holes at about 3-4 other positions, and they currently bring that squad down a notch or 2.

not having Lewis is definitely addition by subtraction. Hopefully Walker can provide a pass rush that was just absolutely non existent from Tyson Jackson. If there is noticeable improvement from at least those 2 areas, then this defense can be dominant. I have a lot of hope for Abdullah to do well this season. Seemed to have nice games when he played and had a hell of a playoff game, hopefully he has his feet under him now and is adjusted to playing pro football again and can build on that....cuz we're going to need it.

Oline there are some major questions. Eric Fisher has to start practicing. He's basically starting all over again, and while it's his natural position, he's missing time and reps. Bigger question is a guard.

Biggest issue on this team is WR. Not being able to sign Emmanuel Sanders was a kick in the junk. Hopefully this team can just manage with the cards they have and play the hand accordingly. Hopefully next season DGB can be had in the 2nd round....hopefully. Kelce needs to start practicing too. Hopefully Fisher, Kelce, Commings are all ready for training camp, because this team is going to need to have them exceed everyone's expectations by a mile if this team wants to be a playoff contender.

Chief Roundup · 06-05-2014, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Antonio Pierce picked us to win it last week. I haven't seen many below 2nd, which if you didn't know can still mean playoffs.

Antonio Pierce

yeah a former LB not a real analytical type with years of experience. He is not a pundit. He is just an ex-player that has been hit in the head a lot.

WhiteWhale · 06-05-2014, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool

I think I would rather have two dominant, All-Pro level 5-techs in my 3-4 defense than have 1 dominant young NT and an OLB who's only really good against back-ups and rookies (really hope that changes).

If you have those two dominant DEs who can rush the passer and dominate in the run game in your 3-4 system, it makes everything else a lot easier to get.

I'd trade Houston for Wilkerson or Richardson and stick them next to Poe. Ford would be fine in replacing Houston because of the presence of a dominant 5-tech next to him. It'll allow Ford to really use his speed to his advantage and easily make up for the loss of production from Houston. Hell, we would likely be a better defense if that trade were to go down.

I'd probably trade Houston for Wilkerson as well (not Richardson... yet) but we were talking about swapping entire defenses.

Ryan can turn over his entire defense, loose his best players, and there's always someone to step up. He's the difference maker. If we swapped personnel top to bottom it wouldn't matter, because Ryan's defense would still be the better group. Rex would love to have a group with so many versatile guys who can rush the QB from different spots. Flowers is a great blitzer. DJ is a good blitzer. Berry is a great blitzer. Solid edge rush from the OLB's and an anchor in the middle... Rex could make this group dominant.

pugsnotdrugs19 · 06-05-2014, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Antonio Pierce

yeah a former LB not a real analytical type with years of experience. He is not a pundit. He is just an ex-player that has been hit in the head a lot.

Same guy who said we wouldn't be as good as many were expecting in 2011/2012.

He didn't do bad there, did he?

Eleazar · 06-05-2014, 10:38 AM

"stacked" would imply something other than what we saw last year when Hali or Houston were out, which was a defense that looked mediocre at best.

Eleazar · 06-05-2014, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Antonio Pierce picked us to win it last week. I haven't seen many below 2nd, which if you didn't know can still mean playoffs.

Who the hell is he?

WhiteWhale · 06-05-2014, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Cochise

"stacked" would imply something other than what we saw last year when Hali or Houston were out, which was a defense that looked mediocre at best.

Sutton's D in the 2nd half of the season looked like Gunther's 2004 joke of a defense.

**Rausch** · 06-05-2014, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief

Hopefully Walker can provide a pass rush that was just absolutely non existent from Tyson Jackson.

I honestly believe this by far the best and likely the most productive player we added this offseason.

And yes, I think he'll have a bigger impact than any of our rookies.

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief

Oline there are some major questions. Eric Fisher has to start practicing. He's basically starting all over again, and while it's his natural position, he's missing time and reps. Bigger question is a guard.

In two years Fish won't even be a starter. Anywhere.

Not to dismiss our huge hole at both G positions.

I love to believe in potential. I might be one of the last Hudson homers on this BB. By the end of this season he'll be one of only 2 guys worth keeping (him and Stephenson.)

WhiteWhale · 06-05-2014, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

I honestly believe this by far the best and likely the most productive player we added this offseason.

And yes, I think he'll have a bigger impact than any of our rookies.

In two years Fish won't even be a starter. Anywhere.

Not to dismiss our huge hole at both G positions.

I love to believe in potential. I might be one of the last Hudson homers on this BB. By the end of this season he'll be one of only 2 guys worth keeping (him and Stephenson.)

We'll know more about Fisher this coming year.

At this same time we all thought (myself included) that Poe was a wasted pick for similar reasons. I mean he didn't play well as a rookie but I've seen guys who had far worse rookie seasons (relative to positions) who turned out fine. Plus rookie OT's struggle pretty often.

Eleazar · 06-05-2014, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefTablet

The Flacco treatment sounds like something you'd get at a massage parlor.

I was thinking that it sounds like a painful surgical procedure

**Rausch** · 06-05-2014, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by WhiteWhale

At this same time we all thought (myself included) that Poe was a wasted pick for similar reasons. I mean he didn't play well as a rookie but I've seen guys who had far worse rookie seasons (relative to positions) who turned out fine. Plus rookie OT's struggle pretty often.

I don't think that argument's over.

Poe had 7 really good games last year and then was invisible.

I don't see that as justification for where he was drafted...

TEX · 06-05-2014, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief

well 5 Pro Bowlers on defense (6 including Flowers) is stacked.

only problem is there are glaring holes at about 3-4 other positions, and they currently bring that squad down a notch or 2.

not having Lewis is definitely addition by subtraction. Hopefully Walker can provide a pass rush that was just absolutely non existent from Tyson Jackson. If there is noticeable improvement from at least those 2 areas, then this defense can be dominant. I have a lot of hope for Abdullah to do well this season. Seemed to have nice games when he played and had a hell of a playoff game, hopefully he has his feet under him now and is adjusted to playing pro football again and can build on that....cuz we're going to need it.

Oline there are some major questions. Eric Fisher has to start practicing. He's basically starting all over again, and while it's his natural position, he's missing time and reps. Bigger question is a guard.

Biggest issue on this team is WR. Not being able to sign Emmanuel Sanders was a kick in the junk. Hopefully this team can just manage with the cards they have and play the hand accordingly. Hopefully next season DGB can be had in the 2nd round....hopefully. Kelce needs to start practicing too. Hopefully Fisher, Kelce, Commings are all ready for training camp, because this team is going to need to have them exceed everyone's expectations by a mile if this team wants to be a playoff contender.

You're right about getting kicked in the junk by Elway and losing out on Sanders, but I'd argue that the biggest issue on the team is the OL by far. That's telling because the state of the WR's is bad BUT we made due with basically the same crew last year (Except for Dex, which I think is a far bigger loss than most but his WR production should be covered) and it was Reid Year 1. I don't think this time around the Chiefs fare as well with this OL.

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Eleazar Beyond the Rapids Join Date: May 2003 Location: Langley, VA Casino cash: $-370000	"stacked" would imply something other than what we saw last year when Hali or Houston were out, which was a defense that looked mediocre at best.
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