Chiefs Raiders Trade for Carson Palmer - Page 60

**doomy3** · 09:52 AM

Per Rotoworld, the Raiders are close to acquiring Carson Palmer.

On my phone, so no link, but what the hell do the Raiders have left to trade?

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Originally Posted by doomy3

Schefter reporting that trade is completed. 2012 first and 2013 conditional first.

Amazing.

SenselessChiefsFan · 10-19-2011, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by DBOSHO

Who have the raiders beat?

They have a fluke win against the Texans in which they were statistically dominated and the Texans were without their best offensive and defensive players.

**Rausch** · 10-19-2011, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by DBOSHO

Who have the raiders beat?

And "who" did we beat?...

Chronic · 10-19-2011, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

#1) The Chiefs gave up the #12 pick to get Green and a fifth round pick.

#2) Green had four consecutive years in KC with a 90+ passer rating and averaged 4000 yards a season. Those four years are better than any four consecutive years in Palmer's career.

#3) The season isn't over. The Raiders have one less loss than the Chiefs. To say that the pick is going to be between 22-28 is premature.

#4) It isn't just one pick. It is TWO picks. A first and a second.

#5) The value of picks went up this year BECAUSE of the new rookie salary cap and slotting system. Teams are now able to get good players at reasonable contracts and there are going to be very few holdouts.

#6) Green was acquired in the offseason in part to install a new offense. Palmer isn't installing anything.

So, spin it however you want...... you will be lucky to get the production out of Palmer that the Chiefs got out of Green, AND you paid a MUCH higher price.

Trent Green took the Chiefs to 2 playoffs and lost both of them

I guarantee you, Palmer will win a playoff game for the Raiders in the next 4 years.

Frosty · 10-19-2011, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

And "who" did we beat?...

Who cares? Chiefs fans aren't the ones claiming that the 1st round picks will be low picks. Oakland hasn't beaten a good team yet.

DBOSHO · 10-19-2011, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

And "who" did we beat?...

Im asking a legitimate question.

Beat a crippled texans team
Cleveland, who isnt much better than last year
Denver, lol

And i cant remember who else.

Lets not crown em yet people. The chargers are still the class of this division.

SenselessChiefsFan · 10-19-2011, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Chronic

Do you understand the point value of draft picks?

Lets take a look

That 12th pick the Chiefs gave up for Trent Green was worth 1200 pts

And yes, lets not get all kinds of stupid here, the Raiders pick is gonna bee in the 20's, but for argument sake I'll give you pick 20

Pick 20 is worth 850

the 20th pick in rd 2 is worth 380

So even by giving up pick 20 in rd 1 and pick 52 in rd 2 has a total value of

1230 pts

And I'm gonna tell you right now that those picks will be in the mid 20's so that value will be lower than 1230

That said... That pick the Chiefs gave up for Green is equal to what the Raiders will have given up in 2 picks for Palmer

Raiders picked up Palmers contract which is good through the 2014 season, which means the Raiders have Palmer for 4 years

In order to determine which team made the better of those trade we'll have to wait untill the 2014 season to evaluate

All Palmer has to do is win 1 playoff game and that Raiders trade for Palmer trumps the Chiefs trade for Green

You can continue to keep laughing

Let's play your game. The Chiefs gave a first worth 1200pts and got back Green and a fifth worth 32.6pts. So, net compensation was 1167.4pts

Do you think that there is any way the compensation for Palmer will be less than that?

#1) The Raiders are not a dominant team right now. They are an up and coming team, but not a great team.

#2) Carson Palmer will be going through some growing pains for a couple of weeks at least... and will probably struggle the rest of this year.

#3) The Raiders would draft around 20th right now, if the season ended today. At the end of the season, it will surprise me if they are drafing that low. I imagine they will be around 8-8 and draft around 16th.

Time will tell, but in the end, the compensation for Palmer will likely end up being well over Trent Green and the actual production from Palmer will likely be far less than Green.

DaWolf · 10-19-2011, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Chronic

Trent Green took the Chiefs to 2 playoffs and lost both of them

I guarantee you, Palmer will win a playoff game for the Raiders in the next 4 years.

Based on what, his stellar playoff career record?

For that price and Hue's claim that this is the greatest trade in the NFL, he better be getting the Raiders to at least a Super Bowl, otherwise in four years he'll be nearing the end, the Raiders will be getting older and losing players to free agency, and won't have the consistent influx of top-flight talent from previous drafts to keep things going...

SenselessChiefsFan · 10-19-2011, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Chronic

Trent Green took the Chiefs to 2 playoffs and lost both of them

I guarantee you, Palmer will win a playoff game for the Raiders in the next 4 years.

I guess you are basing this on his stellar playoff career?

Oh, wait..... Trent Green, Matt Cassel and Carson Palmer all have the same number of playoff wins.

Actually, Trent Green has a ton more playoff wins and a Super Bowl Ring. He wasn't playing, but Kurt Warner talked about how Trent Green was instrumental in his success and the team's Super Bowl run. Man, Trent Green shreds his knee, and Kurt Warner does great, and he is still there at every turn to coach them.

SenselessChiefsFan · 10-19-2011, 08:33 AM

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We didn't give up the extra pick that the Raiders did the following year. However, in my opinion that trade was still not a great move. True, Green passed for a lot of yards, but it netted us, what, one playoff loss and two winning seasons?

Don't sell them short....they had TWO playoff losses, thank you very much.

**the Talking Can** · 10-19-2011, 08:34 AM

i have to say, this adds some excellent excitement to the game

Chiefs w/ Cassel beat the raiders after this?

pure ****ing hilarity and awesomeness...

anything less than a conference championship for the Raiders is a disaster

**Rausch** · 10-19-2011, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by DBOSHO

Lets not crown em yet people. The chargers are still the class of this division.

The Chargers were never the class of jack $3it.

They were the knock-out drunk prom queen that got knocked up and managed to become a nurse and have only 4 more kids by the time she got her $3it together for the 10 year class reunion...

**Dave Lane** · 10-19-2011, 08:36 AM

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Cassel is a disgrace to the position.

That's full on reerun right there. Jafatass might have been, but Cassel just isn't very good.

Chronic · 10-19-2011, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by DBOSHO

Im asking a legitimate question.

Beat a crippled texans team
Cleveland, who isnt much better than last year
Denver, lol

And i cant remember who else.

Lets not crown em yet people. The chargers are still the class of this division.

The Jets

And had the Bills by 21-3 in the half and went into a prevent and the Bills won it with seconds left

Raiders are a nut hair away from being 5-1

Deal with it hillbilly

SenselessChiefsFan · 10-19-2011, 08:38 AM

What do the Raiders and Bengals have in common?

They are both 4-2 WITHOUT Carson Palmer.

Montane · 10-19-2011, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by DBOSHO

Im asking a legitimate question.

Beat a crippled texans team
Cleveland, who isnt much better than last year
Denver, lol

And i cant remember who else.

Lets not crown em yet people. The chargers are still the class of this division.

Crippled Texans team? For key players, the Texans didn't have Andre Johnson. The Raiders didn't have Louis Murphy, Marcel Reece and rookie CB Chimdi Chekwa who'd been playing pretty well for an injured Chris Johnson.

Crippled is an exaggeration.

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