Raiders Trade for Carson Palmer

[doomy3]

Per Rotoworld, the Raiders are close to acquiring Carson Palmer.

On my phone, so no link, but what the hell do the Raiders have left to trade?

Originally Posted by doomy3

Schefter reporting that trade is completed. 2012 first and 2013 conditional first.

Amazing.

[SenselessChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by DBOSHO

Keep telling yourself that, boss.

Yeah, the Texans who were missing, probably the best WR in the game and one of the top DE's in the game and clearly the best offensive and defensive player on the team.... were NOT crippled.

Now, the RAIDERS wer crippled....what with these three stalwarts out for the game.

Who, McFadden? Um, no. Seymore? no. But, these three guys that no one outside of Oakland has ever heard of were JUST as important as those two guys.

[SenselessChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by Sofa King

Everyone of Everywhere not in Oakland doesn’t think Palmer is a top player anymore.

“Palmer does fit the offense, and I think he might, might, be an upgrade over Campbell,” Williamson said. “But I think Oakland way overpaid for an older quarterback that really has not played well for the past few years. He used to be an elite passer, but I haven’t seen that in quite a while. He doesn’t move well. I do think a change of scenery will help him. But he also had led the league in near-interceptions, and his decision-making is just average. He isn’t close to what he once was.”

FYP.

[DBOSHO]

Patriots
Ravens
Steelers
Texans
Chargers
Bills

Who would the raiders beat in this group?

[SenselessChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by JD10367

At first glance it looks like they overpaid. But he's had good numbers (aside from one injury year), is only 31, and the Bengals were a train wreck when he decided to hold out. It's not a great deal by any means, but the Raiders have never cared about draft picks. As a Patriots fan, though, I'm just pissed off that the Bengals drained the well; Belichick usually gets those 1s and 2s from Oakland.

Yeah, Palmer has been an above average QB for most of his career. I can see why the Raiders were salivating.

This really reminds me of the Randy Moss deal. Actually, Moss is a HOF player..... Palmer probably won't sniff the HOF.

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by DBOSHO

Patriots
Ravens
Steelers
Texans
Chargers
Bills

Who would the raiders beat in this group?

Definitely not the Pats or Bills.

[JD10367]

Originally Posted by Sofa King

Matt Williamson of Scouts Inc. doesn’t think Palmer is a top player anymore.

“Palmer does fit the offense, and I think he might, might, be an upgrade over Campbell,” Williamson said. “But I think Oakland way overpaid for an older quarterback that really has not played well for the past few years. He used to be an elite passer, but I haven’t seen that in quite a while. He doesn’t move well. I do think a change of scenery will help him. But he also had led the league in near-interceptions, and his decision-making is just average. He isn’t close to what he once was.”

#1: If he "might, might" be an upgrade over Campbell, John Holmes "might, might" be an upgrade for my wife.

#2: He's only 31 (two years younger than Brady, and four years younger than Peyton... not saying he's anywhere near as good, just saying that he's not Brett Favre-old).

#3: Aside from his short injury year, he's never thrown more INTs than TDs (although he did equal it once... in his first year). In 5 of the past 6 seasons, he's thrown 32, 28, 26, 21, and 26 TDs, and thrown for 3800, 4000, 4100, 3100, and almost 4000.

The writer probably likes Matt Cassel.

[SenselessChiefsFan]

The Raiders better win this game and the next game. That would put them at 6-2.

Then, here is the schedule:
@ SD- Loss.
@ Min- Toss up.
Chicago- Toss up.
@ Miami- Win.
@ GB-Loss
Detroit-Loss
@KC-Toss Up
SD-Toss up.

They could easily go 2-6 over the last half. If they drop either home game against KC or Denver, I think they have no shot of making the playoffs. If they win both games, they still have to be 4-4 down the stretch to make the playoffs. They have only one gimme and Minnesota is probably a gimme....but it is on the Road and Minnesota has Jared Allen and Adrian Peterson to make it interesting.

This is a VERY intriguing season.

[the Talking Can]

Originally Posted by JD10367

#1: If he "might, might" be an upgrade over Campbell, John Holmes "might, might" be an upgrade for my wife.

#2: He's only 31 (two years younger than Brady, and four years younger than Peyton... not saying he's anywhere near as good, just saying that he's not Brett Favre-old).

#3: Aside from his short injury year, he's never thrown more INTs than TDs (although he did equal it once... in his first year). In 5 of the past 6 seasons, he's thrown 32, 28, 26, 21, and 26 TDs, and thrown for 3800, 4000, 4100, 3100, and almost 4000.

The writer probably likes Matt Cassel.

he's thrown a shit load of ints in the last 4 years, his td/int ratio is god awful...he's also fumbled 13 times in the last two years


and his QB rating the last few years has him squarely as a QB in the 15-20th range...the damn definition of average...

you, like the Raiders, are living in some fantasy world of when he was young and healthy...he's complete stiff in the pocket, his accuracy is just barely adequate, and anyone who has watched him play recently knows he makes a lot of bone headed throws...

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by DBOSHO

Patriots
Ravens
Steelers
Texans
Chargers
Bills

Who would the raiders beat in this group?

8-8 will probably win this division...

[DBOSHO]

That was my list of probable playoff teams.

[SenselessChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by Rausch

8-8 will probably win this division...

I don't think so. The Chargers are going to win 10 games.

8-8 will get you second, but not in the playoffs.

[Chronic]

Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

Let's play your game. The Chiefs gave a first worth 1200pts and got back Green and a fifth worth 32.6pts. So, net compensation was 1167.4pts

But you didnt get anything out of it.. So its a busted 1st rd pick, much like Tyson Jackson and Glen Dorsey

Do you think that there is any way the compensation for Palmer will be less than that?

Who knows.., Even if the cost is 1600 pts, if that trade gets the Raiders in the playoffs for 2-3 years and pushing for a chance at the AFCC- its still a better trade than the Green trade considering the Chiefs got absoluetly dick from it

#1) The Raiders are not a dominant team right now. They are an up and coming team, but not a great team.

I'd agree there, but you cant argue that Palmer isn't an upgrade to Campbell

#2) Carson Palmer will be going through some growing pains for a couple of weeks at least... and will probably struggle the rest of this year.

I dunno, Kurt Warner said Palmer's familiarity with Hue's playbook should get him off to a fast start.. will he play this week? Who knows.. the Raiders have a bye so they may keep him on the sidelines to listen to calls going in to Boller.

#3) The Raiders would draft around 20th right now, if the season ended today. At the end of the season, it will surprise me if they are drafing that low. I imagine they will be around 8-8 and draft around 16th.

Math isn't your strong suit I see, if the draft were held today the Raiders would be drafting at 24. 8-8? The Raiders are 4-2 currently, they have 2 games with the Chiefs and one more with the Broncos which should give them 3 more wins. The Raiders strong part of their schedule is over, they have games agaisnt the Dolphins, Vikings, Bears, Lions and they'll split with the Chargers.. Oakland will finish 10-6, and dont be surprised if they finish 11-5



Time will tell, but in the end, the compensation for Palmer will likely end up being well over Trent Green and the actual production from Palmer will likely be far less than Green.

How hard is it to lose 2 playoff games? Palmer will win a playoff game with the Raiders.. bank it.. and once he does that, and it may be this year.. once Palmer wins a playoff game.. he will have outproduce anything Green ever did in KC

Chiefs might win sunday if Boller plays... But once Palmer gets the system down.. the Raiders will continue to just curb stomp the Chiefs like they have the last 2 years

[SenselessChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

he's thrown a shit load of ints in the last 4 years, his td/int ratio is god awful...he's also fumbled 13 times in the last two years


and his QB rating the last few years has him squarely as a QB in the 15-20th range...the damn definition of average...

you, like the Raiders, are living in some fantasy world of when he was young and healthy...he's complete stiff in the pocket, his accuracy is just barely adequate, and anyone who has watched him play recently knows he makes a lot of bone headed throws...

Would you quit with the logic. Now is not the time to be logical, it is time to wax poetic about how great Palmer is going to be and how he will suddenly return to his 25 year old, pre knee injury self.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

I don't think so. The Chargers are going to win 10 games.

8-8 will get you second, but not in the playoffs.

Unless I've ****ed something up they only play 3 games we don't, and those aren't cake walk teams either...

[JD10367]

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

he's thrown a shit load of ints in the last 4 years, his td/int ratio is god awful...

2004: 18/18
2005: 32/12
2006: 28/13
2007: 26/20
2008: 3/4 (injured)
2009: 21/13
2010: 26/20

Lifetime: 154/100 in 97 games, an average of around 1.5-to-1.

It's not Brady or Peyton-ish, but it's not "a shit load" or "god awul".