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Old 07-17-2012, 11:45 AM  
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How does Dwayne Bowe rank among the elite WR's?
Sorry, didn't want this getting overlooked in the other thread. Then again, people will probably ignore it anyway - I know some of you will appreciate this.


I keep seeing people say that Dwayne Bowe isn't an elite WR. So I decided to do some research to see how he matches up statistically over his 5 years in the league.

What I found, is that statistically, Bowe is the 10th best WR of the last 5 years.

I found 9 other WR's that either had better yardage totals, better TD numbers or both. He was 10th in yardage, tied for 6th in TD's.

Here's the list. (Yardage/TD's) Bolded players have fewer or same TD's as Bowe.


Larry Fitzgerald - 6480/49

Roddy White - 6422/42

Reggie Wayne - 6234/36

Wes Welker - 6105/31

Calvin Johnson - 5872/49

Andre Johnson - 5703/35

Greg Jennings - 5539/46

Steve Smith - 5353/29

Marques Colston - 5202/40

Dwayne Bowe - 4927/36


Personally, I think that's impressive on its own.

Especially when you consider the only guy on this list who is younger is Megatron. I'd be curious to see how he matches up to the same players during each of their first 5 seasons.

Anyway, when you compare Bowe's number's to the #1 yardage and #1 TD's - he's not nearly as far off as it seems.

It comes down to 19.41 yard a game, and .16 TD's per game.

Factor in that Bowe is missing something the other 9 have - solid QB play.

After looking at this, its hard for me to say Dwayne Bowe is NOT an elite WR, considering how his numbers match up to the "elite" and never having the benefit of decent QB play.

I'm pretty confident in saying that with solid QB play, Bowe would easily make up 19.41 yards and .16 TD's a game.

Like him or not, he's an elite WR - and has shown it over his 5 years in the league.

Dude deserved elite money.

Or, tl;dr - **** him.

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Old 07-18-2012, 09:01 PM   #961
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You're cool with 43.5, though?

My financial tabulations show that we enter "cap hell" at 48 guaranteed to Bowe.
I'm willing to go 47.785 and not a goddamn penny more.
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Old 07-18-2012, 09:01 PM   #962
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What we have is an insider telling us the ballpark Bowe is in.

We also know that Pioli has been very good about extending the top talent on the team to reasonable deals.

We also know that another Chief player in a contract year has since fired his agent, the same agent that represents Bowe.

You can sit here and spin shit any way you see to fit your opinion but everything is pointing to Bowe and/or his agent asking for the moon and not budging off of it.
and we all know Pioli loves to pinch his pennies, so we can presume he's lowballing all the way.
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Old 07-18-2012, 09:02 PM   #963
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Yeah, its the same thing he's been saying. And its not only speculation, its pretty vague.
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Old 07-18-2012, 09:03 PM   #964
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You're cool with 43.5, though?

My financial tabulations show that we enter "cap hell" at 48 guaranteed to Bowe.
Im thinking more like 5 for 55 mil with 30-35 guaranteed. Thats 11 mil a year with over half in his pocket
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Old 07-18-2012, 09:03 PM   #965
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Yeah, its the same thing he's been saying. And its not only speculation, its pretty vague.
Saying "top players" would be vague. Directly naming 2 of them wouldn't be something I would call vague.
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and we all know Pioli loves to pinch his pennies, so we can presume he's lowballing all the way.
Right. There's no proof that Bowe is being more unreasonable than Pioli.

All we have is silence from both sides (good), Pioli's history, and speculation from guys that get paid to have the answers (even when they don't).
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Im thinking more like 5 for 55 mil with 30-35 guaranteed. Thats 11 mil a year with over half in his pocket
There is no way he signs for that kinda money. I wouldn't if I were him.


He's up better numbers than VJax who had an all pro throwing to him. Thats where you start.



Hell if I were Bowe, I would request that every time Cassel overthrew me or missed me when I was wide open for a td, he had to pay me out of his pocket that week.
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Saying "top players" would be vague. Directly naming 2 of them wouldn't be something I would call vague.
"general vicinity" is vague.
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What we have is an insider telling us the ballpark Bowe is in.

We also know that Pioli has been very good about extending the top talent on the team to reasonable deals.

We also know that another Chief player, in a contract year, has since fired his agent, the same agent that represents Bowe.

You can sit here and spin shit any way you see to fit your opinion but everything is pointing to Bowe and/or his agent asking for the moon and not budging off of it.
Spin?

You mean take some vague line from Shefter that essentially the Chiefs don't think Bowe is worth top receiver money, and claim that Bowe is asking for Megatron money?

That kind of spin?
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"general vicinity" is vague.
How? Do you think 40M guaranteed is in the "general vicinity" of 50-60M?
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How? Do you think 40M guaranteed is in the "general vicinity" of 50-60M?
I see general vicinty as probably a top 5 contract. He obviously didn't say he wants more than those guys. He didn't even say he wants equal.
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The season can't get here soon enough.

We are sitting here arguing over stuff we are speculating on the perimeters of.

Nobody knows what Bowe wants or what Pioli was offering.

The fact that Albert fired his agent is significant, though.
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The season can't get here soon enough.

We are sitting here arguing over stuff we are speculating on the perimeters of.

Nobody knows what Bowe wants or what Pioli was offering.

The fact that Albert fired his agent is significant, though.
How so?
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Give Bowe 50 million guaranteed, like Deez said, not my money I don't care. He's earned it.



Would you guys give up a 2 to Dallas for Dez right now?
I love Dez the football player, but he has too much drama off the field to take a chance on him at this point.
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The season can't get here soon enough.

We are sitting here arguing over stuff we are speculating on the perimeters of.

Nobody knows what Bowe wants or what Pioli was offering.

The fact that Albert fired his agent is significant, though.
Why?

To draw that conclusion, one would have to assume that Bowe is unhappy with the job that the agent has done, and has passed that along to Albert.
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