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12-09-2011, 09:57 AM | #976 |
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How is Weiss a third-rate head coach &/or a crappy coach? I know he's not on Pinkel's level, but I'm curious.
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12-09-2011, 10:08 AM | #977 | |
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And if you haven't noticed, fans & the media speculate... a lot. It sucks, and even if people were excited to hear Leach mentioned in the same breath as the KU job, it doesn't mean fans really believed it would happen. It's all just silly rumors, and I think most of us have been around long enough to know how it works.
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12-09-2011, 10:15 AM | #978 |
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I'd be more concerned about the anemic FL offense than his time at ND.
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I'm mostly concerned about the DC hire... giving up 43ppg (488 in 10 games) and 600 yards of rushing in one game kind of sucks.
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Let me get this straight: According to the Human DOuchenozzle, Charlie Weis is the worst coach to ever earn 4 Superbowl rings?
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12-09-2011, 10:28 AM | #982 |
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That is a bit of a concern. However, we all know CW can coach an offense. He did that pretty well at NE, ND, and KC. He did extremely well with QBs. I don't think one year proves anything about a coach's pedigree. Especially after he has had a ton of success at multiple other places. I thought the same exact thing about Gus Malzahn.
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Win or lose, Kansas' hire offers relevance
December, 8, 2011 Dec 8 6:24 PM ET By David Ubben Kansas? Well, it's not Notre Dame. The disadvantages of each are unique, as are the advantages. Different programs require different fits. Kansas hopes former Notre Dame coach and Florida offensive coordinator Charlie Weis is the right fit. [+] EnlargeKim Klement/US PresswireCharlie Weis spent last season as the offensive coordinator at Florida. Weis brings Kansas the one thing the Jayhawks have craved since a 5-0 season in 2009 crashed to earth with a seven game losing streak. Since that start, Kansas has lost 23 of 24 Big 12 games. That losing streak has brought with it paralyzing irrelevance. Consider that problem fixed. Who else could Kansas have hired that would have everyone buzzing (even Dick Vitale!) about the new head Jayhawk? Maybe you want to laugh about Weis, a bizarre hire who didn't work out at Notre Dame. After two BCS bowl appearances in his first two years, he finished above .500 just once in his final three seasons in South Bend. Maybe you want to ask, "Why the heck are they doing that?" But you're paying attention. For all of Turner Gill's character and good intentions, he didn't offer much in the arena of intrigue. Weis does. And he gets a fresh start at Kansas free of the intense scrutiny from fans, boosters and media. The sky-high expectations at Notre Dame are a bit more measured in Lawrence. Why can't that be a recipe for success? Maybe this hire is a disaster. Maybe it's a godsend, the man that finally gets Kansas back into the BCS. (Yes, believe it or not, three years and 11 months ago, Kansas won an Orange Bowl.) Either way, mastery or failure, people will be watching. For Kansas, that's a step in the right direction. The college game, where Weis has spent just six total years, is obviously different from the NFL, where Weis coached for 16 years. Recruiting is a unique game in which it's difficult to develop proficiency. Weis has a master recruiter, Reggie Mitchell, already on his staff. Kansas has lots of young talent, especially on offense, but it needs more. Like Gill, that's objective No. 1 for Weis. Objective No. 2 is fixing a defense that was among the worst in college football history this season. As an offensive mind, Weis will likely need to make a strong, calculated hire as his defensive coordinator to fix that problem, which he struggled with at Notre Dame. Gill didn't win and didn't fill seats. There were just over 35,000 fans in 50,000-seat Memorial Stadium for the final home game. Weis, by name alone, probably won't fill seats. Losses will peck away at that attendance number, but Weis will produce record amounts of intrigue and skepticism that with one contract signature, landed Kansas back on the college football map. He's a smart guy. Ask Bill Belichick. Why can't Weis learn from the mistakes made at Notre Dame and win at Kansas? Win or lose, it'll be fun to watch. And unlike much of the Gill Era, it will be watched. http://espn.go.com/blog/big12/post/_...fers-relevance
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For those of you that have so many preconceived notions of who Weis is, here is a poster on another message board that might shed a little insight.
Nobody here will know me, but I'm a big KU BB fan. Have been all my life as my mom grew up in Lawrence and my dad is from Hays Kansas. I go way back to Manning, Cedric Hunter and Kellogg, and probably before that, but too many beers cloud my memory. I used to run the ND site on Scout, I've since moved on independently, and I know Joel very well. He can confirm it's me. I've been following KU BB here on this site for quite awhile, and I'm concerned about KU BB recruiting. What the hell is going on???? I'm only commenting here because I have some knowledge about Weis that most here don't. I don't know anything about him being hired. I'm just offering my thoughts if he is hired. I have a lot of experience with Charlie Weis. IF he is named head coach, here is what I can tell you about him from my 5 years working around the guy. First, Weis will work harder than any other coach you'd hire. I'm certain of that. He's there at 5 AM. He doesn't leave until sometimes 1 AM. That's how he is. He did this the entire time while at ND. Second, I don't know where this notion that Weis doesn't like to recruit came from. He works his ass off in recruiting. I've covered a lot of coaches in my time. Nobody worked harder than Weis as a head coach at recruiting, and probably out of anyone I know of, not just as a HC. He puts more effort into recruiting than his assistants did--one of the problems he had. He's the main reason Manti Te'o is at ND, as well as a number of others. Third, I think the reputation of Weis as a bad guy is overblown and sensationalized. This is the perfect example of how the media, meaning the mass media, spins a story to however they want it to be. Weis made some mistakes in dealing with the media, but so does every head coach I've covered. Too many cameras and microphones to always say the right things. He probably handled one situation poorly, and that led to his reputation in the national media, but he was protecting his player by doing it. So, you decide if that was right or not. I just know the result in the media was that he is/was a bad guy. I, personally, loved working around Charlie. He made us laugh every day. He was extremely fair with the local media. Pretty much everyone really liked Charlie who dealt with him as local media. He joked with us all the time. He also told us what was going on. He was very fair with you if you were fair to him. If he's hired, he'll make you feel a lot more comfortable once he speaks and you get to know him. He's a really likable guy. You'll see what I mean if he's hired. So what went wrong at ND? Here's my take on it. I don't know if Charlie Weis is a good head coach. I really don't know. I know what the result was. But I also think some things happened that caused that result.....some of which was Weis' fault. The problem with hiring Weis at ND was he had no college connections and no head coaching experience. He didn't know many people at all in the college game. He had to hire people based on recommendations from others, and that's very hard to do. Plus he had to do it in a hurry as he was still trying to coach the Patriots to another Super Bowl, so he didn’t have time to thoroughly go through an exhaustive coaching search. I remember Charlie saying that he felt him helping the Patriots win the Super Bowl would be the best PR he could get going into ND. It certainly helped, but it also hurt in the coach-hiring process. I've learned that chemistry within a staff is a huge thing. More important than most anyone really knows. I think he made some poor hires. I also think he's a very loyal guy, and probably held onto a guy or two longer than he should have out of loyalty to them, and that really hurt the development of his team in a couple of key areas. But that's just my opinion. One thing that CANNOT be discounted, and I really can’t stress enough, Tyrone Willingham and his staff left Weis an unbelievable hole in recruiting that is very, very hard to crawl out of. Here is an example to explain what happened. Willingham was hired in 2002 and his first class consisted of 4 OL and 4 DL. Out of those 8, 2 transferred, one was ruled academically ineligible after being an honors student in high school. The three that transferred out were all four-star prospects. In 2003, Willingham signed just 1 DT, and 2 OL. In 2004, Willingham signed 2 DE, 1 DT, and just 2 OL. Willingham signed a total of 17 in that class---way under what they could’ve. And out of those 17 players, 10 ended up transferring. Not kidding. 10 left. And by the way, both OL, 1 DE and the only DT in the class were some that transferred. So if you’re doing the math, in two classes, ND signed just 1 DT, 1 DE and 2 OL. That’s for two total classes. When it became obvious Willingham was out, people stopped recruiting and the next class (2005) also stunk. ND signed just 2 DT and 2 OL. Despite the small class the previous year (17), Weis could only salvage and secure 15 of ND’s commits in the final month of recruiting. So the roster was very bare when he got to ND. So again, doing the math. For three entire recruiting classes Weis had 3 DT, 1 DE, and 4 OL on the roster. In his 2007 season, the 3-9 season, this is what he had to work with for upperclassmen. 4 total DL and 4 total OL in the entire top 3 classes. A lot of schools sign that many in every class, but that is three total classes. The real question KU fans need to ask, if Weis is hired is: Has he learned from his past experience at ND and will he do things differently this time? Charlie is a very intelligent guy. He's also a very competitive guy. I think, if given the opportunity, he'll work his ass off to make KU a success. I can't guarantee he will succeed, but I'm certain of his work ethic. I'm also certain he knows how to coach QBs. He will also put together a great offense if given the right pieces in recruiting. I'll also tell you a sure-fire sign of if he learned anything. If he focuses heavily early on recruiting OL and DL talent, then you'll know he learned from his ND experience. He got a lot of great skill players at ND, but he didn't land enough quality linemen, and they also weren't coached very well. I think Charlie's struggles at ND boiled down to a severely depleted roster, inexperience as a head coach and being in the largest fishbowl in the world. Also, in the NFL you don't need to be so much of a teacher. Most of the players know how to play FB and the techniques and fundamentals of the position or they wouldn't be in the NFL. I think that is a big difference between the college game and the NFL. He didn't know many in the college game. He'd never been a head coach, so he hadn't made the many mistakes first-time head coaches make. All head coaches make mistakes, and then hopefully they learn from them. That's why experience is important. I think the experience Weis gained will be invaluable in the next job he takes. I can't assure anyone he'll be a success. All I know is what happened, why I think it happened, and what I know about Weis and his work ethic. He will also make recruiting a priority, at least for himself. If hired, he better make sure his assistants also work their asses off in recruiting as well. Not all of them did at ND in my opinion. What will matter most is who he hires, if hired, and his focus on OL and DL recruiting. He needs to hire coaches who will bust their ass in recruiting. But he also needs to find great teachers and focus heavily on OL and DL recruiting. It will be interesting to see if he coaches at KU and how he does. http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=172&f=2485&t=8409976
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#2 is blatantly false - Muschamp has come out and said they were talking about it before he accepted the position.
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