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Old 03-29-2023, 08:39 AM  
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***Official 2023 STL Cardinals Thread ***
2023 thread. Walker makes the roster. I'll update the rosters and opening day lineup when its official

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Old 07-24-2023, 09:34 PM   #976
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Didn't we get Montgomery from them for Bader?
Yes, has worked out for both teams plus the Yankees figure they can fleece Mo easily, probably not wrong about that.
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Old 07-25-2023, 07:55 PM   #977
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From Katie Woo and Jeff Passan so should be solid info

With the trade deadline quickly approaching, we got some new info today

The #STLCards* plan to hold onto Tyler O’Neill at the deadline, per Katie Woo

On the other hand, St. Louis is telling teams they plan to move Jordan Montgomery, Jack Flaherty, Paul DeJong, and perhaps Jordan Hicks, according to Jeff Passan
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Old 07-25-2023, 08:01 PM   #978
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Old 07-25-2023, 08:07 PM   #979
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No one wants O Neill anyway
I agree, probably can’t even get a lottery pick for him. But what good is he? Isn’t this his last year? They plan on resigning him?
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Trade DeJong for a bag of sunflower seeds and get this guy up here

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Old 07-26-2023, 12:15 PM   #981
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I agree, probably can’t even get a lottery pick for him. But what good is he? Isn’t this his last year? They plan on resigning him?
Another year of arb eligibility.

For everything he isn't offensively, he's an ELITE defensive LFer. I mean very probably the best in baseball out there. And it's noticeable.

I don't know how anyone can watch Walker stumble-**** his way through RF and seemingly cost us a game every week by not making routine catches and then say O'Neill has NO value. He does - when he's available.

I don't mind holding him. His value is low but it doesn't have to be. If he can stay on the field and play good ball for the next 2 months, he can get a decent return in the off-season.
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Trade DeJong for a bag of sunflower seeds and get this guy up here
My position on guys in the minors is that they have to force the issue. It was with Carlson and Gorman, was with Walker (who I didn't think DID) and is with Winn.

Winn's forced the issue and has earned a chance, IMO. The defense is easily big league caliber and if he can continue to get his hands around on inside pitches to keep pitchers from just busting him up inside, he can be a solid hitter as well. Just that little extra pull power is really important for a guy like him because it will help keep pitchers middle/away and allow him to slap/run or spray liners to maximize his speed. Otherwise they'll just saw him off.

I'm not 100% sure he's ready - but I believe he's earned the look.

Paul DeJong sure as shit hasn't done anything to own the job.
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My position on guys in the minors is that they have to force the issue. It was with Carlson and Gorman, was with Walker (who I didn't think DID) and is with Winn.

Winn's forced the issue and has earned a chance, IMO. The defense is easily big league caliber and if he can continue to get his hands around on inside pitches to keep pitchers from just busting him up inside, he can be a solid hitter as well. Just that little extra pull power is really important for a guy like him because it will help keep pitchers middle/away and allow him to slap/run or spray liners to maximize his speed. Otherwise they'll just saw him off.

I'm not 100% sure he's ready - but I believe he's earned the look.

Paul DeJong sure as shit hasn't done anything to own the job.
I don't believe he is ready, but he is more ready than Walker was.
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I don't believe he is ready, but he is more ready than Walker was.
I don't love his timing mechanism; nastier stuff will eat that up. Wish he was quite a bit quieter there because I feel like that will be prone to slumps.

And his swing is still a little loopy, but not bad. His hands are awfully quick so that'll help.

Bottom line is that I don't expect him to set the world on fire offensively, but I think he'll be playable while being an enormous asset defensively.
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I don't love his timing mechanism; nastier stuff will eat that up. Wish he was quite a bit quieter there because I feel like that will be prone to slumps.

And his swing is still a little loopy, but not bad. His hands are awfully quick so that'll help.

Bottom line is that I don't expect him to set the world on fire offensively, but I think he'll be playable while being an enormous asset defensively.
Either way it's a pretty significant upgrade over DeJong.
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I don't believe he is ready, but he is more ready than Walker was.
Walker's bat was ready (despite the Cardinals bitching about him and attempting to ruin his confidence). His defense for OF wasn't.
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