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**Saul Good** · 02-06-2012, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Ever? I don't know how you can say that. Even if he's only 6'9'', his length is more than sufficient to play with most 4s. And with his athleticism and explosion, he can play above the rim easier than a lot of 4s out there.

There will be some teams like the Lakers that play a second center at the 4, but most teams don't have anyone a hell of a lot taller than Robinson playing the 4.

If he can improve that 14 footer, clean up his spin move and develop something of a step-back, I don't see why he couldn't be a 12-15 PPG guy. That's really not hard to pull off if you get starters minutes and he should be sound enough defensively that he'll be able to start in the league.

Look at it this way - Carlos Boozer isn't any taller than Robinson, he's not as athletic and he's certainly not any stronger. Physically there isn't anything that keeps Robinson from being every bit Boozer's equal, he just has to develop a rounded offensive game.

Boozer is the comp I should've used earlier - Robinson could easily play a very similar game to Carlos Boozer and be just as good at it, if not better.

Boozer is quicker and has a MUCH more polished face-up game. I'll admit that I didn't see Boozer being anywhere near as good as he turned out to be, but he's the exception. Elton Brand would be another as long as we're talking about Duke players.

There are so many players in college that are able to physically dominate inferior athletes that do very little in the pros. The 4s and 5s that wind up averaging 14 and 12 in the NBA generally don't play 3 years in college. They certainly don't ride the bench behind the Morris twins for 2 years.

O.city · 02-06-2012, 08:46 PM

I would really like to see Robinson stay another year and play with the class we will have next year, but in his case he really needs to just go.

He has to support his sister and he really can't get much higher draft wise than he is now. I think he could get better which would ultimately make him a much better pro, but with everything he has been thru I understand it.

I think, like Saul said, Marcus should have stayed another year, but the twins couldn't be split up bullshit I guess.

**Saul Good** · 02-06-2012, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

He's listed at 5'10'', but I've seen him around town and he seems like he's about 5'8'' to me.

I don't buy 5'10, either. He can damned near touch the top of the backboard, though. Dude's a freak. Too little for the NBA as well which is great with me. Nice to have a 4 year starter at the point.

DJ's left nut · 02-06-2012, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

He seems pretty small.

I think Denmon has a really good chance to be a good pro, if he shoots the ball this well.

Too short to play the 2, not a good enough distributor to play the 1.

He'll probably end up getting drafted in the early-20s to be a 6th man, combo-guard off the bench. He's a strong rebounder for his size, a responsible defender and obviously a capable shooter. A team that needs a spare guard that can come in and play the 1 or 2 to give the starters a breather could do a hell of a lot worse than Denmon.

I think he can have a nice career in the league. But ultimately, I'm still pissed off at the NBA for the ridiculous Chris Paul trade bullshit, so I'm fairly indifferent towards it. I would like to see MU put more guys into the league though.

**Saul Good** · 02-06-2012, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

I would really like to see Robinson stay another year and play with the class we will have next year, but in his case he really needs to just go.

He has to support his sister and he really can't get much higher draft wise than he is now. I think he could get better which would ultimately make him a much better pro, but with everything he has been thru I understand it.

I think, like Saul said, Marcus should have stayed another year, but the twins couldn't be split up bullshit I guess.

Marcus wasn't going to grow 3 inches by staying another year.

O.city · 02-06-2012, 08:48 PM

I like Pressey alot, but I thought the D. Rose comparisons were a little off and thats not a knock to Pressey, but Rose is in a class with about 3 guys athletically in the league.

KC_Connection · 02-06-2012, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good

No way. Robinson is not scoring 12-15 in the NBA. He might be 9-12 if you're optimistic. I don't think he has the height. They list him at 6'10, but he's probably a good inch and a half shorter than that.

Humphries is averaging 13 a game this year, although that's for a terrible team. I would say 12-15 is TRob's ceiling in the NBA. He'd have to develop more to reach that level.

**Saul Good** · 02-06-2012, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Too short to play the 2, not a good enough distributor to play the 1.

He'll probably end up getting drafted in the early-20s to be a 6th man, combo-guard off the bench. He's a strong rebounder for his size, a responsible defender and obviously a capable shooter. A team that needs a spare guard that can come in and play the 1 or 2 to give the starters a breather could do a hell of a lot worse than Denmon.

I thin he can have a nice career in the league. But ultimately, I'm still pissed off at the NBA for the ridiculous Chris Paul trade bullshit, so I'm fairly indifferent towards it. I would like to see MU put more guys into the league though.

I haven't seen draft projections for Denmon. I would be pretty surprised if he goes in the first round, though. Would be nice to be able to put more players in the league as far as recruiting goes.

O.city · 02-06-2012, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good

Marcus wasn't going to grow 3 inches by staying another year.

I would have liked to see him clean up a little and attempt to play the 3 but I don't think he had it in him.

He's an undersized 4 that was supposed to be able to step away. I don't see that happening.

O.city · 02-06-2012, 08:52 PM

I don't think Denmon is big enough to get drafted, I think he will find a home somewhere.

KC_Connection · 02-06-2012, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Ever? I don't know how you can say that. Even if he's only 6'9'', his length is more than sufficient to play with most 4s. And with his athleticism and explosion, he can play above the rim easier than a lot of 4s out there.

There will be some teams like the Lakers that play a second center at the 4, but most teams don't have anyone a hell of a lot taller than Robinson playing the 4.

If he can improve that 14 footer, clean up his spin move and develop something of a step-back, I don't see why he couldn't be a 12-15 PPG guy. That's really not hard to pull off if you get starters minutes and he should be sound enough defensively that he'll be able to start in the league.

Look at it this way - Carlos Boozer isn't any taller than Robinson, he's not as athletic and he's certainly not any stronger. Physically there isn't anything that keeps Robinson from being every bit Boozer's equal, he just has to develop a rounded offensive game.

Boozer is the comp I should've used earlier - Robinson could easily play a very similar game to Carlos Boozer and be just as good at it, if not better.

Boozer's a way more talented scorer than Robinson, he's got a touch that Robinson simply doesn't have right now. Boozer was far more efficient than TRob when he was in college, too. I'd be surprised if TRob reached that level offensively. That said, TRob is the better rebounder of the two and could be a better defender.

**Saul Good** · 02-06-2012, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

I like Pressey alot, but I thought the D. Rose comparisons were a little off and thats not a knock to Pressey, but Rose is in a class with about 3 guys athletically in the league.

Rose is 6'0 and a much better (though not great) shooter. Pressey has no jump shot, but I do think he will find one. He's got a good looking stroke. It's just hard for guys his size to get them off. If he can find a shot during the offseason, he's going to be a huge weapon. 13 points per game from him, and he's getting close to all-American territory.

WilliamTheIrish · 02-06-2012, 08:55 PM

Those f"ing Grapes Of Wrath inspiring ****s shot under 45% from the FT line? They couldn't miss against KSU. **** you Lon Kruger.

DJ's left nut · 02-06-2012, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good

Boozer is quicker and has a MUCH more polished face-up game. I'll admit that I didn't see Boozer being anywhere near as good as he turned out to be, but he's the exception. Elton Brand would be another as long as we're talking about Duke players.

There are so many players in college that are able to physically dominate inferior athletes that do very little in the pros. The 4s and 5s that wind up averaging 14 and 12 in the NBA generally don't play 3 years in college. They certainly don't ride the bench behind the Morris twins for 2 years.

Boozer had more polish precisely because he played a ton at Duke (and Boozer stayed 3 years). I don't agree that he's quicker, though. Robinson get's off the floor as well as any big man in the nation and his first step is pretty strong for a guy his size.

If he can become a good enough rebounder and play strong enough defense to get 30-35 minutes/gm, I don't see why he couldn't get 3-4 garbage buckets/gm, a couple FTs and a couple buckets off set plays.

KC_Connection · 02-06-2012, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by WilliamTheIrish

Those f"ing Grapes Of Wrath inspiring ****s shot under 45% from the FT line? They couldn't miss against KSU. **** you Lon Kruger.

Lon just has it out for KSU.

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O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-545936	I like Pressey alot, but I thought the D. Rose comparisons were a little off and thats not a knock to Pressey, but Rose is in a class with about 3 guys athletically in the league.
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