Royals *** Official 2018 Royals Offseason Repository *** - Page 67

duncan_idaho · 06:46 AM

It's the end of the world as we know it... and we feel... fine?

2018 is a season of transition for the Royals, or at least it is at this point. Dayton Moore is back. Will he swing full into THE PROCESS 2.0? Or will he try to load up again and make some reload magic happen?

Pending Free Agents:
1B | Eric Hosmer | San Diego Padres, 8 years, $144 million ($5 million signing bonus; $20 million/year in Yrs 1-5; $13 million/year in Yrs 6-8 wth player opt out)

Spoiler!

3B | Mike Moustaskas | Kansas City Royas, 1, $6.5 million

Spoiler!

CF | Lorenzo Cain | Milwaukee Brewers, 5 years, $80 million

Spoiler!

RP | Mike Minor | Texas Rangers, 3, $28 million

Spoiler!

SP | Jason Vargas | New York Mets, 2, $16 million

Spoiler!

SS | Alcides Escobar | Kansas City Royals, 1, $2.5 million

Spoiler!

2018 MLB Draft Picks
#18
#33 - Compensation (Eric Hosmer)
#34 - Compensation (Lorenzo Cain)
#40 (Competitive Balance Round A)

Comp picks explanation:

Spoiler!

2018 Draft Names to Watch

RHP Kumar Rocker, N Oconnee HS, Georgia.

Spoiler!

OF Jarred Kelenic, Waukasha West HS, WI

Spoiler!

1B Triston Casas, American Heritage HS (FL).

Spoiler!

RHP Carter Stewart, Eau de Gallie HS (Ga).

Spoiler!

ANY Any, Any (Any). Any current top projected pick who slides for injury concerns. Includes current top prospect prospect SP Brady Singer, U of Florida.

tk13 · 01-28-2018, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Bufkin

Sweeney is so insanely underrated. Hitting 333 with 144 RBI’s in a season, or batting 340 in a season to just barely miss the batting title, or his breakout 1999 season.

Give me Sweeney’s 4 year stretch from 1999-2002 over Cain’s.

I'd rank Beltran ahead of both Sweeney and Cain, but Sweeney was a hitting machine. Fans hate him though because he got hurt all the time. He was a great, great hitter though.

**gblowfish** · 01-28-2018, 01:23 PM

The Royals paid Sweeney $55 million from 2003 to 2007 to produce as a number three hitter. The team lost at least 90 games four of those five years, and more than 100 games for three of them. Sweeney failed to play in more than half of the team's games in the last two years of his contract. I don't blame Sweeney so much as I blame Allard Baird for giving him that kind of money, and letting Beltran walk. Sweeney was KC's all star five times, because they have to take a guy from each team. A couple years he deserved it, but not all five. He had one post season AB in his career, and that was with the Phillies. Cain was an ALCS MVP. No comparison between the value of these two player. Cain was a much more productive player.

WilliamTheIrish · 01-28-2018, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat

Nice work taking a dump in the thread? Or... channeling PB, maybe?

He's always done that. Not in billabia kind of way though. I'm pretty sure he was just kidding around and folks got their hackles raised.

**Bufkin** · 01-28-2018, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by gblowfish

The Royals paid Sweeney $55 million from 2003 to 2007 to produce as a number three hitter. The team lost at least 90 games four of those five years, and more than 100 games for three of them. Sweeney failed to play in more than half of the team's games in the last two years of his contract. I don't blame Sweeney so much as I blame Allard Baird for giving him that kind of money, and letting Beltran walk. Sweeney was KC's all star five times, because they have to take a guy from each team. A couple years he deserved it, but not all five. He had one post season AB in his career, and that was with the Phillies. Cain was an ALCS MVP. No comparison between the value of these two player. Cain was a much more productive player.

That’s apples and oranges and you know it. Without Cain, the Royals are still a competitive team with potential playoff inspirations. Without Sweeney, the 2005 Royals break Detroit’s record for most losses in a season.

Deberg_1990 · 01-28-2018, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

I love Lorenzo Cain. I would place him as the third-best Royal since Brett, behind Beltran and Gordon.

Gordon's five-year run from 2011-2015 is better than Cain's best period.

And Beltran was just a better player. Better defensively and a more powerful offensive threat.

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You would rank Cain above Willie Wilson and Frank White? Not sure i agree....

Cain was a great Royal though, no disagreement there.

BWillie · 01-28-2018, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Mosbonian

This was my first thought when I read the post....I liked Cain as a player, but mentioning him in the same conversation as Brett is silly.

While I loved the team that won the WS in 2015, nothing will compare to the team that was the Royals in the late 70's thru the 80's.

There were guys on that team that make Cain an afterthought.....

If I think of Lorenzo Cain I am not even putting him in the Top 20 of present or former Royals.

That doesn't diminish what he did here....he was a great defensive player and without him this team doesn't win the AL Championship, much less get to the World Series.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bufkin

Sweeney is so insanely underrated. Hitting 333 with 144 RBI’s in a season, or batting 340 in a season to just barely miss the batting title, or his breakout 1999 season.

Give me Sweeney’s 4 year stretch from 1999-2002 over Cain’s.

Why? Played 1B and DH. CF is a much more coveted position especially at Kaufman. Can can steal, defend, hit and developed a little power here.

I do believe Beltran is a better player overall and did it for longer, but his best seasons were not in KC. Alex Gordon probably would be my opinion for the best Royal since Brett if he didn't shit the bed the last couple of years.

And no, nobody is in the same conversation as Brett, that I've said SINCE Brett. But not in the Top 20 of players in Royals history is absurd.

ChiefsCountry · 01-28-2018, 02:20 PM

Royals All Time WAR
1. George Brett - 88.4
2. Amos Otis - 44.6
3. Willie Wilson - 42.2
4. Frank White - 34.7
5. Alex Gordon - 32.7
6. Hal McRae - 27.7
7. Lorenzo Cain - 25.7
8. Carlos Beltran - 24.7
9. Mike Sweeney - 23.2
10. John Mayberry - 21.2

BWillie · 01-28-2018, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13

I'd rank Beltran ahead of both Sweeney and Cain, but Sweeney was a hitting machine. Fans hate him though because he got hurt all the time. He was a great, great hitter though.

Yeah, I mean Sweeney got 11th in the MVP voting one year. What a stud.

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

You would rank Cain above Willie Wilson and Frank White? Not sure i agree....

Cain was a great Royal though, no disagreement there.

Willie Wilson? Probably not. Frank White? hahah. Absolutely.

How many players in Royals history got 3rd in MVP voting? Seriously? Cain did.

Mosbonian · 01-28-2018, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie

Why? Played 1B and DH. CF is a much more coveted position especially at Kaufman. Can can steal, defend, hit and developed a little power here.

I do believe Beltran is a better player overall and did it for longer, but his best seasons were not in KC. Alex Gordon probably would be my opinion for the best Royal since Brett if he didn't shit the bed the last couple of years.

And no, nobody is in the same conversation as Brett, that I've said SINCE Brett. But not in the Top 20 of players in Royals history is absurd.

The difference between what you and I are looking at is that I am including Pitchers....and unless I am reading you wrong you would rate Cain higher than Frank White? Seriously?

**Bufkin** · 01-28-2018, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie

Yeah, I mean Sweeney got 11th in the MVP voting one year. What a stud.

Willie Wilson? Probably not. Frank White? hahah. Absolutely.

How many players in Royals history got 3rd in MVP voting? Seriously? Cain did.

Thankfully, we don’t judge a player’s overall skill or impact on a team on where they placed on the yearly MVP ballot.

BWillie · 01-28-2018, 02:57 PM

And without further adieu, my Top 25 list of Royals. I know you all have been anxiously awaiting

BWilliie's Top 25 Royals Positional Player list
1. George Brett
2. Amos Otis
3. Willie Wilson
4. Lorenzo Cain
5. John Mayberry
6. Alex Gordon
7. Salvador Perez (probably going to end up higher)
8. Carlos Beltran
9. Frank White (probably too high honestly, but longevity points)
10. Hal McRae (should be 5 pts higher for the throwing phone incident)
11. Mike Moustakas
12. Eric Hosmer
13. Mike Sweeney
14. Al Cowens (Dude got 2nd in MVP voting one year)
15. Bo Jackson (probably too high honestly, but would have been much higher if not injuries)
16. Johnny Damon
17. Freddie Patek
18. Danny Tartabull
19. Jermaine Dye
20. Steve Balboni (only cuz of HR record)
21. Joe Randa
22. Billy Butler
23. Jarrod Dyson (probably should be higher)
24. David DeJesus
25. Mike McFarlane

**gblowfish** · 01-28-2018, 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BWillie

And without further adieu, my Top 25 list of Royals. I know you all have been anxiously awaiting

BWilliie's Top 25 Royals Positional Player list
1. George Brett
2. Amos Otis
3. Willie Wilson
4. Lorenzo Cain
5. John Mayberry
6. Alex Gordon
7. Salvador Perez (probably going to end up higher)
8. Carlos Beltran
9. Frank White (probably too high honestly, but longevity points)
10. Hal McRae (should be 5 pts higher for the throwing phone incident)
11. Mike Moustakas
12. Eric Hosmer
13. Mike Sweeney
14. Al Cowens (Dude got 2nd in MVP voting one year)
15. Bo Jackson (probably too high honestly, but would have been much higher if not injuries)
16. Johnny Damon
17. Freddie Patek
18. Danny Tartabull
19. Jermaine Dye
20. Steve Balboni (only cuz of HR record)
21. Joe Randa
22. Billy Butler
23. Jarrod Dyson (probably should be higher)
24. David DeJesus
25. Mike McFarlane

Couple of guys you should consider: Darrell Porter, Cookie Rojas, Kendres Morales.

Demonpenz · 01-28-2018, 04:15 PM

Ok I had Cain on my mind all night. The Royals had a day night double hitter on July 4th. Cain hit a grand slam in the sonic slam inning. Going to see that a ton of times every sonic slam inning.

Demonpenz · 01-28-2018, 04:19 PM

Mcrae threw the phone and grabbed a jug of gin. BOSS SAUCE

Deberg_1990 · 01-28-2018, 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BWillie

And without further adieu, my Top 25 list of Royals. I know you all have been anxiously awaiting

BWilliie's Top 25 Royals Positional Player list
1. George Brett
2. Amos Otis
3. Willie Wilson
4. Lorenzo Cain
5. John Mayberry
6. Alex Gordon
7. Salvador Perez (probably going to end up higher)
8. Carlos Beltran
9. Frank White (probably too high honestly, but longevity points)
10. Hal McRae (should be 5 pts higher for the throwing phone incident)
11. Mike Moustakas
12. Eric Hosmer
13. Mike Sweeney
14. Al Cowens (Dude got 2nd in MVP voting one year)
15. Bo Jackson (probably too high honestly, but would have been much higher if not injuries)
16. Johnny Damon
17. Freddie Patek
18. Danny Tartabull
19. Jermaine Dye
20. Steve Balboni (only cuz of HR record)
21. Joe Randa
22. Billy Butler
23. Jarrod Dyson (probably should be higher)
24. David DeJesus
25. Mike McFarlane

Kevin Seitzer?

11-17-2017, 08:24 PM
duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $1460308	* Official 2018 Royals Offseason Repository * It's the end of the world as we know it... and we feel... fine? 2018 is a season of transition for the Royals, or at least it is at this point. Dayton Moore is back. Will he swing full into THE PROCESS 2.0? Or will he try to load up again and make some reload magic happen? Pending Free Agents: 1B \| Eric Hosmer \| San Diego Padres, 8 years, $144 million ($5 million signing bonus; $20 million/year in Yrs 1-5; $13 million/year in Yrs 6-8 wth player opt out) Spoiler! (DI's Guess: Texas Rangers, 6, $118 million) 3B \| Mike Moustaskas \| Kansas City Royas, 1, $6.5 million Spoiler! (DI's Guess: Los Angeles Angels, 5, $98 million) CF \| Lorenzo Cain \| Milwaukee Brewers, 5 years, $80 million Spoiler! (DI's Guess: San Francisco Giants, 4, $68 million) RP \| Mike Minor \| Texas Rangers, 3, $28 million Spoiler! (DI's Guess: Los Angeles Angels, 3, $35 million+ $12 million team option SP \| Jason Vargas \| New York Mets, 2, $16 million Spoiler! (DI's Guess: Baltimore Orioles, 2, $29 million) SS \| Alcides Escobar \| Kansas City Royals, 1, $2.5 million Spoiler! (DI's Guess: San Diego Padres, 1, $6.5 million) 2018 MLB Draft Picks #18 #33 - Compensation (Eric Hosmer) #34 - Compensation (Lorenzo Cain) #40 (Competitive Balance Round A) Comp picks explanation: Spoiler! In case I, picks would be #32, 33, and 34, if Alex Cobb of Rays signs for $50 million guaranteed. Kansas City will likely have 5 of the top 40-45 picks in the draft, and the bonus pool money should rival that of the teams drafting 1-3 in the 2017 draft. This should give KC tremendous flexibility in acquiring talent that otherwise might slip or not be "signable." 2018 Draft Names to Watch RHP Kumar Rocker, N Oconnee HS, Georgia. Spoiler! Possibly goes top 10 but is a big, physical SP with ace potential. Moore and co. will be all over him if he slips a bit and could offer top 10 money at No. 16 OF Jarred Kelenic, Waukasha West HS, WI Spoiler! Kelenic is the top prep bat, toolsy OF. Royals would be ecstatic to have shot at him. 1B Triston Casas, American Heritage HS (FL). Spoiler! Tremendous raw power, best in HS bats. Royals typically like HS arms or HS bats with "special" tools. He qualifies. RHP Carter Stewart, Eau de Gallie HS (Ga). Spoiler! Another big, physical specimen with huge upside. More likely to be available mid-first than Rocker. ANY Any, Any (Any). Any current top projected pick who slides for injury concerns. Includes current top prospect prospect SP Brady Singer, U of Florida. Last edited by duncan_idaho; 04-02-2018 at 06:46 AM..
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01-28-2018, 01:23 PM	#992
gblowfish Be Kind To Your Pets Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Glorious Independence, MO Casino cash: $17606178 VARSITY	The Royals paid Sweeney $55 million from 2003 to 2007 to produce as a number three hitter. The team lost at least 90 games four of those five years, and more than 100 games for three of them. Sweeney failed to play in more than half of the team's games in the last two years of his contract. I don't blame Sweeney so much as I blame Allard Baird for giving him that kind of money, and letting Beltran walk. Sweeney was KC's all star five times, because they have to take a guy from each team. A couple years he deserved it, but not all five. He had one post season AB in his career, and that was with the Phillies. Cain was an ALCS MVP. No comparison between the value of these two player. Cain was a much more productive player.
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ChiefsCountry The Insider Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Lake of the Ozarks Casino cash: $2018752	Royals All Time WAR 1. George Brett - 88.4 2. Amos Otis - 44.6 3. Willie Wilson - 42.2 4. Frank White - 34.7 5. Alex Gordon - 32.7 6. Hal McRae - 27.7 7. Lorenzo Cain - 25.7 8. Carlos Beltran - 24.7 9. Mike Sweeney - 23.2 10. John Mayberry - 21.2
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01-28-2018, 02:57 PM	#1001
BWillie El Gato Gordo Loco Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Earth Casino cash: $2131241	And without further adieu, my Top 25 list of Royals. I know you all have been anxiously awaiting BWilliie's Top 25 Royals Positional Player list 1. George Brett 2. Amos Otis 3. Willie Wilson 4. Lorenzo Cain 5. John Mayberry 6. Alex Gordon 7. Salvador Perez (probably going to end up higher) 8. Carlos Beltran 9. Frank White (probably too high honestly, but longevity points) 10. Hal McRae (should be 5 pts higher for the throwing phone incident) 11. Mike Moustakas 12. Eric Hosmer 13. Mike Sweeney 14. Al Cowens (Dude got 2nd in MVP voting one year) 15. Bo Jackson (probably too high honestly, but would have been much higher if not injuries) 16. Johnny Damon 17. Freddie Patek 18. Danny Tartabull 19. Jermaine Dye 20. Steve Balboni (only cuz of HR record) 21. Joe Randa 22. Billy Butler 23. Jarrod Dyson (probably should be higher) 24. David DeJesus 25. Mike McFarlane __________________ Who wants free money? Use the link below to sign up at Bovada, BetOnline, Black Chip Poker and Ignition. Contact me for private deals, spot bonuses, possible rakeback or any questions! Bovada, Ignition, BetOnline, Black Chip Poker: baldeaglepoker.com Bovada Poker is back! Get up to $500 poker deposit bonus.
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01-28-2018, 04:19 PM	#1004
Demonpenz Woman should only make babies Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Apartment "G UNIT!" Casino cash: $2932136	Mcrae threw the phone and grabbed a jug of gin. BOSS SAUCE __________________
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