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02-24-2011, 01:55 PM

I need some help making a decision.

Somebody I know contacted me asking for advice on a finish nailer purchase. I gave him several options and then remembered I had one new out in my shop I wasn't using. I looked up the lowest price on ebay $150 and gave it to him for $120.

Sent it via USPS priority Feb 4th. Hasn't arrived to his house. USPS says we're screwed - they lost it but don't offer anything at all.

I have a couple used finish guns or a new brad nailer I've offered.

I don't know the other guy's proposed solution. We haven't talked about it since yesterday. I'm not sure I'm on the hook for the entire $120 since I did everything right. I definitely don't think he should absorb the entire cost either.

So, what do think?

R8RFAN · 02-25-2011, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd

Our local post office is evidence they are trying to make a profit, as the building is for sale. They then plan to lease it back. Too bad it is such crap market for industrial buildings.

But if they were truly serious about making a profit, they would Merge with the extremely large Carol Stream post office, about a mile and a half away. It just makes no sense to me to have both, and I am about 3/4 of a mile away from each.

I wonder how many times this situation is duplicated around the country? Even the U.S. Military has eliminated a lot of this kind of duplication.

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According to the laws under which it now operates, the U.S. Postal Service is a semi-independent federal agency, mandated to be revenue-neutral. That is, it is supposed to break even, not make a profit.

**DaFace** · 02-25-2011, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by R8ers

Just for the record, you are wrong again...

which means it's subsidized ... they compete with UPS AND FedEx and those two are not exempt from federal taxes.

How many businesses you know of that can lose money every year in their existence and still survive?

While true, USPS effectively (though not formally) operates as a nonprofit organization. Because of that, they don't pay federal taxes, just like other nonprofits. Yes, they're technically an exemption. But as you said, they "lose money every year," so they wouldn't be paying taxes anyway.

(The reality is that they are supposed to have excess revenues in some years to make up for the money they lose in others. But in the end, they're supposed to have a net zero profit in the long term, which would negate any taxes they would pay over time.)

ClevelandBronco · 02-25-2011, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by R8ers

...the law does not require that the Postal Service make a profit...

That's handy.

R8RFAN · 02-25-2011, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DaFace

While true, USPS effectively (though not formally) operates as a nonprofit organization. Because of that, they don't pay federal taxes, just like other nonprofits. Yes, they're technically an exemption. But as you said, they "lose money every year," so they wouldn't be paying taxes anyway.

(The reality is that they are supposed to have excess revenues in some years to make up for the money they lose in others. But in the end, they're supposed to have a net zero profit in the long term, which would negate any taxes they would pay over time.)

Just like amtrack though, they never break even or come close....

**HemiEd** · 02-25-2011, 03:06 PM

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Just maybe if they TRIED to make a profit, they could approach breaking even.

It is what has made our free enterprise system great, trying to make a profit.

This thread is a glaring example, we are all in agreement, that the two "for profit" companies in this business, FedEx and UPS, are reliable.

It is the "Government" entity, that is the reason this very thread exists. They need to stick to junk mail and birthday cards.

ClevelandBronco · 02-25-2011, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd

Just maybe if they TRIED to make a profit, they could approach breaking even.

It is what has made our free enterprise system great, trying to make a profit.

This thread is a glaring example, we are all in agreement, that the two "for profit" companies in this business, FedEx and UPS, are reliable.

It is the "Government" entity, that is the reason this very thread exists. They need to stick to junk mail and birthday cards.

Not from my point of view. Yesterday (because I misread the OP) I posted the experience that continues to sour me on UPS to this day. On the contrary, the USPS has never lost, temporarily misplaced, unreasonably delayed or destroyed anything that was important to me, and when I take into account the marvel that they can deliver mail to virtually anywhere at a very affordable rate, I'm actually quite impressed.

R8RFAN · 02-25-2011, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ClevelandBronco

Not from my point of view. Yesterday (because I misread the OP) I posted the experience that continues to sour me on UPS to this day. On the contrary, the USPS has never lost, temporarily misplaced, unreasonably delayed or destroyed anything that was important to me, and when I take into account the marvel that they can deliver mail to virtually anywhere at a very affordable rate, I'm actually quite impressed.

Mail to me is the USPS' job, packages should not be .I do not think it is fair for UPS and Fedex to have to compete with someone who does not have to make a profit nor will they ever run out of checks...

If it's something cheap, I use USPS if it's something worth more I use Fedex or UPS.....

**HemiEd** · 02-25-2011, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ClevelandBronco

Not from my point of view. Yesterday (because I misread the OP) I posted the experience that continues to sour me on UPS to this day. On the contrary, the USPS has never lost, temporarily misplaced, unreasonably delayed or destroyed anything that was important to me, and when I take into account the marvel that they can deliver mail to virtually anywhere at a very affordable rate, I'm actually quite impressed.

If your experience was the norm, UPS would be out of business, not so with the post office.

We ship about 22,000 packages UPS a year, and I can't recall one getting lost. That is what they do, and have to do, to make a profit.

**RNR** · 02-25-2011, 03:25 PM

Unless it was agreed buyer beware IMO you eat it. I know that sucks but what would your stance be if the gun arrived but his money some how was lost through error? Would you be looking to split the loss? I don't know $120. dollars is no big deal but you also got stuck the original money also. Bad deal and I hope it works out for both of you~

Okie_Apparition · 02-25-2011, 05:59 PM

I have heard that postal inspectors are the only agency in the US allowed to waterboard. But they do have to show proof the water source was first ran through a water softner.

**HemiEd** · 02-28-2011, 03:32 PM

We are getting somewhere now!

Bill Lundberg · 02-28-2011, 04:05 PM

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We are getting somewhere now!

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The lost of any piece of mail is as disappointing to us as it is to you.

USPS - nothing but the best and brightest!

Bill Lundberg · 02-28-2011, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Okie_Apparition

I have heard that postal inspectors are the only agency in the US allowed to waterboard. But they do have to show proof the water source was first ran through a water softner.

Didn't ENDELT have that same avatar?

**HemiEd** · 02-28-2011, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill Lundberg

Didn't ENDELT have that same avatar?

yep, and he had Pastormikes avatar recently as well.

02-28-2011, 07:10 PM

I have a UPS tracking number for you on a piece of paper somewhere around here. Cost me $25 but it will be there Wednesday.

Sent nails for both guns but if you're going to try to use the brad nailer for base you'll have to pick up some longer brads at Home Depot.

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Phobia Guest Casino cash: $	I have a UPS tracking number for you on a piece of paper somewhere around here. Cost me $25 but it will be there Wednesday. Sent nails for both guns but if you're going to try to use the brad nailer for base you'll have to pick up some longer brads at Home Depot.
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