Football It's about time we do something about Notre Dame - Page 7

**Bearcat** · 01-09-2013, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Football is a completely different beast than BB with alot more people involved.

You're talking about 64 teams in the first weekend, and Sweet Sixteen games and beyond are in football stadiums.

Seems like a pretty silly discussion and a lot of armchair quarterbacking... not to say it's a small task by any means, but there's so much money to be made, I don't see why anyone would care about the logistics. And if there is a legit concern for ticket sales, fan travel, etc; just have the first round games at the home team's stadium... then you're only talking about the two semi final games as far as extra neutral site games.

listopencil · 01-09-2013, 10:58 AM

The BCS formula is still just a collection of polls, isn't it?

**Rausch** · 01-09-2013, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by listopencil

The BCS formula is still just a collection of polls, isn't it?

Yes, but it's augmented by a computer formula that...well...I'm not sure who runs that or how...

listopencil · 01-09-2013, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

Yes, but it's augmented by a computer formula that...well...I'm not sure who runs that or how...

I just googled it, and it looks like the computers assisted third of the formula is still just a poll. There is really nothing worth complaining about. Every point that can be brought up is easily dismissed by pointing out that the people who vote on this crap can take that point into consideration when voting.

**DaKCMan AP** · 01-09-2013, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by listopencil

The BCS formula is still just a collection of polls, isn't it?

For now it's 2 polls (coaches & harris) and then the computer ranking (which is comprised of 6 separate rankings), each counting for 1/3 of the BCS.

When they move to the 4-team format in 2014 there will no longer be a BCS rankings. They haven't announced/decided how it will be done but it sounds like they will have a selection committee comprising of AD's, university presidents, and some at-large members.

listopencil · 01-09-2013, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

For now it's 2 polls (coaches & harris) and then the computer ranking (which is comprised of 6 separate rankings), each counting for 1/3 of the BCS.

When they move to the 4-team format in 2014 there will no longer be a BCS rankings. They haven't announced/decided how it will be done but it sounds like they will have a selection committee comprising of AD's, university presidents, and some at-large members.

How are those rankings tabulated? And a selection committee is still a group of people ranking the teams.

Prison Bitch · 01-09-2013, 11:35 AM

It's not that weird since the SEC is the biggest conf this year with 14 teams. That's an advantage right there. Plus they care about it more than everyone else and their states largely lack the nfl presence to compete for attention and dollars.

If Mizzou didn't have te Chiefs and Rams in state they would draw 80k and be respectable in the SEC. Since they do they won't. Same with Ku and KSU being hurt by the Chiefs. Would draw way better without the competition (just as ku does for hoops)

**ChiefGator** · 01-09-2013, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Plus they care about it more than everyone else and their states largely lack the nfl presence to compete for attention and dollars.

WHen the hell is the NFL going to put a team in Florida anyway?

ILChief · 01-09-2013, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefGator

WHen the hell is the NFL going to put a team in Florida anyway?

Or Louisiana and georgia

**DaKCMan AP** · 01-09-2013, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefGator

WHen the hell is the NFL going to put a team in Florida anyway?

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Originally Posted by ILChief

Or Louisiana and georgia

Or Tennessee. Or Texas.

**Saul Good** · 01-09-2013, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

It's not that weird since the SEC is the biggest conf this year with 14 teams. That's an advantage right there. Plus they care about it more than everyone else and their states largely lack the nfl presence to compete for attention and dollars.

If Mizzou didn't have te Chiefs and Rams in state they would draw 80k and be respectable in the SEC. Since they do they won't. Same with Ku and KSU being hurt by the Chiefs. Would draw way better without the competition (just as ku does for hoops)

Big 12 states with NFL teams:
Texas

SEC states with NFL teams:
Texas
Georgia
Florida
Tennessee
Missouri

Good job. Good effort.

warpaint* · 01-09-2013, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by MatriculatingHank

Agree? Disagree? This is worthy of debate:

http://www.faniq.com/blog/Notre-Dame...nce-Blog-60220

Last night, Notre Dame got absolutely obliterated by Alabama in the BCS title game. Just like I said they would. More than once.

This should have come as a surprise to exactly no one.

No matter how anyone tries to hype up Notre Dame's regular season schedule, there's not a chance in hell that they actually proved that they deserved their #1 ranking.

They stumbled into the #1 spot by default, because great SEC football teams beat other great SEC football teams.

Alabama's only loss was to fellow SEC powerhouse Texas A&M.
Georgia's only losses were to Alabama and South Carolina, both from the SEC.
Texas A&M lost a couple nail-biters to fellow SEC schools Florida and LSU.
South Carolina's only losses were also to Florida and LSU.
Before losing their bowl games, Florida and LSU had only lost to SEC teams.

All 6 of those teams could be considered among the top 10 teams in the country. And they all had to play several games against each other, because they're in an elite conference loaded with talent.

Other teams in top conferences have stretches of 6 to 8 games in a row in which they have to play top level teams.

Then, if they're fortunate enough to have a successful season, they have to play a conference championship game, which essentially amounts to one additional game against an elite team.

Notre Dame, thanks to their independent status, doesn't have to worry about that.

They can schedule their annual cakewalks against service academies and their "rivalry" with fellow Catholic school Boston College. They can use their other "rivalry" game against USC to pad their strength of schedule, and hope that no one notices that USC finished the season unranked and was one of the most overrated teams in the country.

They can play close games against mediocre teams like Purdue, Pitt, BYU, and Michigan, and still manage to default their way into the the National Championship game.

Let's ignore the fact that Georgia and Alabama were both far better teams, but had to play each other in the SEC Championship, essentially eliminating one of them.

If there was an 8-team playoff, Notre Dame would have gotten rolled by the #8 team, who would have been South Carolina, the 4th-best SEC team.

If you look at Notre Dame's recent bowl history, it's clear that they've benefited from their delusional (but large) fan base, and the fact that they haven't needed to actually win a conference to get into a BCS bowl.

Notre Dame has lost 11 of their last 13 bowl games.

They're 0-4 in BCS bowls (including last night's championship), and lost those 4 games by a combined score of 158-57.

That's right. Notre Dame has lost their 4 BCS bowl games by an average of 25 points per game.

Is there any doubt that they're being overrated and overhyped coming into bowl games?

The solution:

The NCAA should ban Notre Dame (and every other independent team, for fairness' sake) from bowl games until they join a conference.

It's absolutely insane that Notre Dame gets to play by a completely different set of rules than every other team, but still gets treated as if their undefeated record is just as impressive as another undefeated team.

Until the Irish have to go through a legitimate conference schedule and win a conference championship game, they'll continue to be placed in bowl games that they don't deserve. They'll continue to get blown out by teams that earned their bowl bid the hard way, and they'll steal BCS spots from far more deserving teams who had far more difficult roads to the postseason.

Until the NCAA forces Notre Dame's hand, fans will continue to suffer through these atrocities. It's simply not right, and fans deserve better.

Just imagine we were a tattoo parlor away from getting ND/Ohst shoved down our throat as the nc game.

Playing in a conference isn't going to solve anything. They beat the Pac12 champ and Big Xii co-champ and played a sched comparable w/ most any teams conf slate outside the SEC. Yes they were exposed but it isn't like their resume was completely void of credentials.

TEX · 01-09-2013, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by warpaint*

Just imagine we were a tattoo parlor away from getting ND/Ohst shoved down our throat as the nc game.

Playing in a conference isn't going to solve anything. They beat the Pac12 champ and Big Xii co-champ and played a sched comparable w/ most any teams conf slate outside the SEC. Yes they were exposed but it isn't like their resume was completely void of credentials.

Exactly.

frankotank · 01-09-2013, 01:00 PM

anybody notice notre lames strength of schedule before Bama? after?

went from 24 to 6. HI-LAR-I-OUS.

**the Talking Can** · 01-09-2013, 07:40 PM

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