Would you trade LJ to the Texans/Raiders/Lions for a 1st and 3rd rounder? - Page 7

**BigRedChief** · 12-29-2006, 09:53 AM

King Carl would never make that trade but for the sake of a good conversation lets say its possible.............

We are old. We need fresh legs. We have at least 5-6 spots to fill to make us a contender. Do we step back before we go foward? Do we just do the best with what we got and try to add in as best as we can?

The root point (as I see it) is do you believe we can compete for a division title and or a legitamate Super Bowl run in the next two years?

If you think we are not going to be ready in two years you make the trade.

If you think we are going to be ready in two years don't make the trade.

PastorMikH · 12-29-2006, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

Jim Brown had high carry situations throuhout the year, and is still considered the best RB ever

He is one of the first ones I looked at. For the record, he never even carried 300 times in one season. Of course they didn't need him to with all the yards he was getting on each carry.

Mecca · 12-29-2006, 11:39 PM

Jim Brown was bigger than the the lineman when he was playing.....that's really not that much of a valid comparison.

Receptions in space......like a Faulk or an LT are not like LJ taking a carry. They are shifty and avoid contact..especially on receptions.

Not to mention none of the guys you mentioned outside of Dickerson had a 400 carry season and he wasn't playing against the same types of guys LJ does. Everyone is bigger and faster now.

400 carries has been an historically bad number for an RB to reach....he may not fall completley off the face of the earth but there is going to be consequence for this many carries. If you think he's going to have a 8 year career I'd say you're dreaming.

If he goes over 400 this year then comes close again next year....barring he doesn't get hurt. He will likely show some signs of wear and decline....and the year after that he will probably go kaput.

**wazu** · 12-29-2006, 11:45 PM

Not with Carl running the draft.

milkman · 12-29-2006, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

Jim Brown had high carry situations throuhout the year, and is still considered the best RB ever

Jim Brown only had a total of 2359 carries in his career.

LJ is almost a quarter of the way to that toal in the last 2 seasons.

**Rain Man** · 12-29-2006, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Jim Brown only had a total of 2359 carries in his career.

LJ is almost a quarter of the way to that toal in the last 2 seasons.

So ... he would equal that total in about 8 seasons?

milkman · 12-29-2006, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

So ... he would equal that total in about 8 seasons?

Actually, after I posted, I looked at LJ's numbers, and I'd forgotten how many carries he had last season.

He is almost a third of the way to Jim Brown's carry numbers in the last two seasons.

At this rate, he'd equal that total in six seasons.

88TG88 · 12-30-2006, 12:08 AM

i would trade only to lions or texans. if we gave him to a mediocre team LJ could send them over the top to get a SB. the lions or texans are gonna suck for a while they have to many holes

PastorMikH · 12-30-2006, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

So ... he would equal that total in about 8 seasons?

Your question intriqued me so I crunched some #s.

LJ has 859 career carries in 4 years (47 games) 4067 yards.

If you just go from the last 2 years, LJ has 719 carries in 2 years (31 games) for 3401 yards

Jim Brown had 2359 carries in 9 years (118 games) 12312 yards

If LJ continues at his career pace, if he reaches 118 games like Borwn, he will have 10210 yards and 2156 carries

However, lookng at the last 2 years, if this is LJ's pace from now on out, he will have 12945 yards and 2736 carries in the 118 games.

Stats tidbit
Brown averaged 20 carries per game, 104.3 yards per game, and 5.21 YPC

LJ averages 23 carries per game, 109.7 yards per game, and 4.73 YPC

LJ is averaging just 3 carries more than Brown, 5 more yards a game and half a yard less in YPC.

LJ's comparison is Jim Brown, he's even alluded to that. If he wants to emulate Brown, this is the pace he will have to keep up for another 5-6 years. It will be difficult, but LJ has shown that he is a tough player. The key is to avoid the serious injuries and keep being productive.

Demonpenz · 12-30-2006, 02:02 AM

I would like to see some other backs put in larry's position. Larry's in the top 10 but how many other backs get 3 or 4 3rd and 10+ carries a game. Thats where his numbers get inflated.

RKA · 12-31-2006, 10:39 AM

LJ is proven, if he were a Raider, there is no way I would trade him for an unproven rookie that had good numbers in college

I thought LJ was a blown pick when yall got him and laughed with the majority when they were cussing about the pick. But that kid is AWESOME, I would love to see him in Silver & Black

Happy New Year Cheap fans

Coogs · 12-31-2006, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by RKA

LJ is proven, if he were a Raider, there is no way I would trade him for an unproven rookie that had good numbers in college

I thought LJ was a blown pick when yall got him and laughed with the majority when they were cussing about the pick. But that kid is AWESOME, I would love to see him in Silver & Black

Happy New Year Cheap fans

Pats let Martin go to the Jets for a 1st and a 3rd a few years back, so you never know. Could happen. Even though the draft picks for the Pats didn't pan out (Edwards injury in Hawaii is key here), It seems to have worked out OK for the Pats.

patteeu · 12-31-2006, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by PastorMikH

Your question intriqued me so I crunched some #s.

LJ has 859 career carries in 4 years (47 games) 4067 yards.

If you just go from the last 2 years, LJ has 719 carries in 2 years (31 games) for 3401 yards

Jim Brown had 2359 carries in 9 years (118 games) 12312 yards

If LJ continues at his career pace, if he reaches 118 games like Borwn, he will have 10210 yards and 2156 carries

However, lookng at the last 2 years, if this is LJ's pace from now on out, he will have 12945 yards and 2736 carries in the 118 games.

Stats tidbit
Brown averaged 20 carries per game, 104.3 yards per game, and 5.21 YPC

LJ averages 23 carries per game, 109.7 yards per game, and 4.73 YPC

LJ is averaging just 3 carries more than Brown, 5 more yards a game and half a yard less in YPC.

LJ's comparison is Jim Brown, he's even alluded to that. If he wants to emulate Brown, this is the pace he will have to keep up for another 5-6 years. It will be difficult, but LJ has shown that he is a tough player. The key is to avoid the serious injuries and keep being productive.

That's a pretty optimistic analysis since it assumes that LJ will never suffer a significant injury and that he can sustain his current performance level for the next 4.5 years.

Meanwhile, back in reality, LJ's performance dropped off significantly from last year with Willie Roaf to this year without him. Next year or the year after, he will lose Will Shields. Last season, he had what was arguably the best line in football blocking for him. I'd like to think that the Chiefs can rebuild that line and once again make an argument for that distinction, but the odds work against them now that they seem to be placing top focus on improving the defense.

**BigRedChief** · 02-15-2007, 10:27 PM

**noa** · 02-15-2007, 10:34 PM

First, I don't think we could get a top 10 draft pick for LJ.

Second, if the Chiefs hadn't used their last top 10 pick on Ryan Sims, I might have confidence they could do something positive with the pick.

boogblaster · 02-15-2007, 10:41 PM

Sell the cow, no milk or butter.. I like milk on me cearel and butter on me toast ...

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Are you nuts? We will be ready soon.	33	41.77%
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12-29-2006, 09:53 AM
BigRedChief Has a particular set of skills Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: On the water Casino cash: $2849627 VARSITY	Would you trade LJ to the Texans/Raiders/Lions for a 1st and 3rd rounder? King Carl would never make that trade but for the sake of a good conversation lets say its possible............. We are old. We need fresh legs. We have at least 5-6 spots to fill to make us a contender. Do we step back before we go foward? Do we just do the best with what we got and try to add in as best as we can? The root point (as I see it) is do you believe we can compete for a division title and or a legitamate Super Bowl run in the next two years? If you think we are not going to be ready in two years you make the trade. If you think we are going to be ready in two years don't make the trade.
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12-29-2006, 11:39 PM	#92
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $2327050	Jim Brown was bigger than the the lineman when he was playing.....that's really not that much of a valid comparison. Receptions in space......like a Faulk or an LT are not like LJ taking a carry. They are shifty and avoid contact..especially on receptions. Not to mention none of the guys you mentioned outside of Dickerson had a 400 carry season and he wasn't playing against the same types of guys LJ does. Everyone is bigger and faster now. 400 carries has been an historically bad number for an RB to reach....he may not fall completley off the face of the earth but there is going to be consequence for this many carries. If you think he's going to have a 8 year career I'd say you're dreaming. If he goes over 400 this year then comes close again next year....barring he doesn't get hurt. He will likely show some signs of wear and decline....and the year after that he will probably go kaput.
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wazu ... Join Date: May 2002 Location: Kansas City, MO Casino cash: $1912295 VARSITY	Not with Carl running the draft.
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88TG88 don't tell me about collage Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Los Angeles Casino cash: $10009184	i would trade only to lions or texans. if we gave him to a mediocre team LJ could send them over the top to get a SB. the lions or texans are gonna suck for a while they have to many holes
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Demonpenz Woman should only make babies Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Apartment "G UNIT!" Casino cash: $2942136	I would like to see some other backs put in larry's position. Larry's in the top 10 but how many other backs get 3 or 4 3rd and 10+ carries a game. Thats where his numbers get inflated. __________________
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12-31-2006, 10:39 AM	#100
RKA Banned Join Date: Apr 2006 Casino cash: $10004900	LJ is proven, if he were a Raider, there is no way I would trade him for an unproven rookie that had good numbers in college I thought LJ was a blown pick when yall got him and laughed with the majority when they were cussing about the pick. But that kid is AWESOME, I would love to see him in Silver & Black Happy New Year Cheap fans
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02-15-2007, 10:27 PM	#103
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02-15-2007, 10:34 PM	#104
noa Band Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $1305453	First, I don't think we could get a top 10 draft pick for LJ. Second, if the Chiefs hadn't used their last top 10 pick on Ryan Sims, I might have confidence they could do something positive with the pick. __________________ Sometimes you eat the bear and sometimes, well, he eats you.
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02-15-2007, 10:41 PM	#105
boogblaster MVP Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Verdigris Valley Campsite Casino cash: $10004900	Sell the cow, no milk or butter.. I like milk on me cearel and butter on me toast ... __________________ WR or S please
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