Sac's 2012 End of Season Mock - Page 7

Saccopoo · 09:12 PM

1. Peter Konz, C; Wisconsin: 6'3", 313 lbs.
- Yep, it's a ten pick reach at minimum, but Casey Wiegmann, while one of the best at his position during his career, is sniffing 40 and contemplated retirement before this past season. Rather than moving Hudson to center, keep him at guard (where he was a three time ACC first teamer & AP AA) and get a guy like Konz when you have the chance. He's big, physical and has the strength to handle even the biggest defensive tackles. I don't know if he's as good as Alex Mack at the same stage, but he reminds me a lot of him.

Other options would include OT's Riley Rieff or Jon Martin; ILB's Luke Kuechly or Dont'a Hightower (no Burfict as he hasn't shown the instincts to play at the next level or the capability to be anything other than a 15 yard personal foul waiting to happen).

2. Matt Reynolds, OT; BYU: 6'6", 330 lbs.
- Reynolds is a four year starter, and three year conference first teamer at left tackle. This also might be a bit of a reach, but he won't last beyond the second round and is most likely a better pro prospect than any offensive tackle beyond the top three. He's very athletic for a guy his size and could effectively play either side of the line. Plays nasty and through the whistle. Barry Richardson might be the worst starting offensive tackle in the NFL and the position needs to be addressed immediately. If the Chiefs don't get a shot at one of the top three in the first round, it needs to be addressed here - and Pioli has also shown the propensity to draft offensive line in the second round.

3. Derrek Wolfe, DT; Cincinatti: 6'5", 310 lbs.
- Initially, I would have loved the Chiefs to have picked up Wolfe in the 5th round, but after a monster 2011 season where he had 19.5 tackles for a loss and 9.5 sacks from the defensive tackle position for the Bearcats, he's going to be a riser, especially at the 3-4 defensive end spot where his length and speed to go along with his size are damn near prototype for the position. Jackson flashed a couple times in 2011 for the Chiefs, but Dorsey just looks like a "guy" out there and has a tendency to get absolutely engulfed by NFL guards.

4. Vick Ballard, RB; Mississippi State: 5'11", 215 lbs.
- With teams loading the box in an effort to stop him (because the Bulldogs didn't have much else offensively), Ballard still managed over 1000 yards on a 5.6 yards per carry. He's physically solid with good muscle mass and has very good vision. Is effective inside as well as out and is a good receiver. He went for 180 yards and two TD's in the Music City Bowl to close out his college career. He's a really good runnning back that would effectively fill the Thomas Jones spot in the lineup.

5. Tank Carder, MLB; TCU; 6'2", 240 lbs.
- With the two best blocking tight ends (Lutzenkirchen and Williams) going back to school for the 2013 season, this gets changed to linebacking stud Carder, who is the two-time MWC Defensive Player of the Year. Very instinctive and fundamentally sound, he was asked to do a lot in the middle playing in TCU's oddball 4-2-5 defense. Is effective in both coverage and filling the gaps on runs. Likes to put the big hit on carriers, but also plays smart. Is long and would be capable of carrying more weight to play inside in a 34. MVP of the 2011 Rosebowl when TCU beat a very good Wisconsin team. The guy can play some football.

6. Sean Cattouse, SS; California: 6'2", 215 lbs.
- With the loss of Berry at the start of the season, it highlighted the lack of depth that the Chiefs have at the strong safety position. McGraw has superb instincts but runs like he's in molasses. Sabby was a stopgap because of the injury. Cattouse has been solid for the Bears all season and one of the few bright spots on their defense. He's big, fast, likes to put the big hit on guys and has the tools to be an effective player with coaching. This is what you want in a backup strong safety.

7. Nick Provo, TE; Syracuse: 6'4", 250 lbs.
- Originally this was Caleb McSurdy, ILB; Montana, but with the pick of Carder in the fifth, another productive tight end on the roster is needed. Provo was First Team All-Big East in 2011 and set the Syracuse school record for career receptions for a tight end despite really only getting onto the field his junior and senior seasons. A Mackey semi-finalist in 2011.

Bewbies · 01-15-2012, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre

I like how you picked pictures of him taking on defensive backs for a size comparison.

Saccopoo · 01-15-2012, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre

I like how you picked pictures of him taking on defensive backs for a size comparison.

The Florida state linebacker could fit into his right pant leg.

And it just shows he can get out into the second level and engage the quick defensive backs.

O.city · 01-15-2012, 04:54 PM

Sac, I'd like to hear your thoughts on trading up to get Luck?

Nightfyre · 01-15-2012, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

The Florida state linebacker could fit into his right pant leg.

And it just shows he can get out into the second level and engage the quick defensive backs.

I agree that hes not undersized. Your anecdotal size comparisons are hilarious, however.

Bewbies · 01-15-2012, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Sac, I'd like to hear your thoughts on trading up to get Luck?

Do you know how many OT's would could pick with all those picks it would take us to move up?

Saccopoo · 01-15-2012, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Sac, I'd like to hear your thoughts on trading up to get Luck?

I don't know...

Luck is a hell of a player, but I don't know if it's worth blowing two years of draft picks for to go get him. The problem is, there are no guarantees. If you go up to get him and he busts (and he doesn't seem like the guy that would, but you never know), you are totally screwed - for a long, long time. If he's Elway, it's worth it. Especially with the potential receiving corps that the Chiefs will have in 2012. It's a real roll of the dice though.

It's going to cost someone a Ricky Williams level deal plus to move up and get him and the Chiefs are close to building a pretty good team.

Part of me would love to see them do it, part of me says it's not worth it. Give Stanzi a shot and draft a guy like Brandon Weeden or Kellen Moore (two winners that are fundamentally sound) this year in the mid-rounds (four or five) and build a strong team on both sides of the ball.

Right now I'm leaning towards the latter, and have the Chiefs trade down a few spots and pick up a guy like Konz and a late second or third rounder in the deal. I don't think that they can move behind Dallas though because it's a real possibility that the Cowboys will pick either Konz or DeCastro and I think an elite level center is more valuable than a top flight guard.

O.city · 01-15-2012, 06:09 PM

If we could come out of the draft with Konz, Hightower, Reynolds, and Chris Polk, I'd be fine with not having Luck.

However I think it would be pretty tough to not pull the trigger and get Luck. He sets your franchise up for 15 years.

Saccopoo · 01-15-2012, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

If we could come out of the draft with Konz, Hightower, Reynolds, and Chris Polk, I'd be fine with not having Luck.

However I think it would be pretty tough to not pull the trigger and get Luck. He sets your franchise up for 15 years.

Depending upon how Hightower checks out medically, it's looking like he won't make it out of the first round.

I think he'll get looked at hard by San Diego and I don't see him dropping past Baltimore.

Detroit, Chicago, Pittsburgh, Denver along with San Diego and Baltimore would be potential spots where a linebacker, particularly a MLB, could go.

If he tests okay medically and puts up pre-injury speed numbers, he won't be there in the second. He played extremely well at the end of the season and was a real factor in the National Championship game.

O.city · 01-15-2012, 08:40 PM

True, but replace Hightower with say Burfict.

I know he's a headcase, but the dude can play .

Bewbies · 01-15-2012, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

I don't know...

Luck is a hell of a player, but I don't know if it's worth blowing two years of draft picks for to go get him. The problem is, there are no guarantees. If you go up to get him and he busts (and he doesn't seem like the guy that would, but you never know), you are totally screwed - for a long, long time. If he's Elway, it's worth it. Especially with the potential receiving corps that the Chiefs will have in 2012. It's a real roll of the dice though.

It's going to cost someone a Ricky Williams level deal plus to move up and get him and the Chiefs are close to building a pretty good team.

Part of me would love to see them do it, part of me says it's not worth it. Give Stanzi a shot and draft a guy like Brandon Weeden or Kellen Moore (two winners that are fundamentally sound) this year in the mid-rounds (four or five) and build a strong team on both sides of the ball.

Right now I'm leaning towards the latter, and have the Chiefs trade down a few spots and pick up a guy like Konz and a late second or third rounder in the deal. I don't think that they can move behind Dallas though because it's a real possibility that the Cowboys will pick either Konz or DeCastro and I think an elite level center is more valuable than a top flight guard.

This is the problem with QB's. If you get one, and they bust you're screwed. If you don't get one, you're screwed.

NJChiefsFan · 01-15-2012, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Bewbies

This is the problem with QB's. If you get one, and they bust you're screwed. If you don't get one, you're screwed.

Since option one also allows for you to possibly hit on one and option two being you are just screwed, I suggest option one. Atleast there you have an "if", option two is just "you are screwed."

Newton's contract is 4 yrs 22 million. Our last two drafts top 2 guys were Baldwin, Hudson, Berry, and McCluster. Now you certainly can't say that the past two drafts show what quality you get in the next two or how much it really would take to get Luck, but...

If the options are risk
5.25 million a year on the cap with Luck
plus losing(over the next two years drafts) talent level of Baldwin, Hudson, Berry, and McCluster.

vs.

Cassel or other options

To me with somebody like Luck, or even RG3, I would take that risk on option 1. Especially when you consider how much young talent and $ we have right now.

**lewdog** · 01-15-2012, 10:39 PM

Yea the O-line needs upgrading but I sure would hate to use our top 2 picks on the OL.

O.city · 01-15-2012, 10:48 PM

Actually this draft sets up pretty well for Kansas City.

We could come out of it with a pro bowl C, solid RT, good RB, safety depth, qb sleeper, solid depth everywhere.

**lewdog** · 01-15-2012, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Actually this draft sets up pretty well for Kansas City.

We could come out of it with a pro bowl C, solid RT, good RB, safety depth, qb sleeper, solid depth everywhere.

QB sleeper where?

Saccopoo · 01-15-2012, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

True, but replace Hightower with say Burfict.

I know he's a headcase, but the dude can play .

He didn't play that well this past season. He was downright horrible in the Utah-ASU game and really cost his team with some really dumb personal fouls and plays in that game alone. He can hit people, but that's about it. He didn't show very good instincts.

If it's not Kuechly in the first or Hightower in the second (barring any movement), I'd rather them go another direction, give Belcher another year of growth and possibly look at Manti Te'o of Notre Dame next year with their first rounder. After Kuechly and Hightower, there is a real drop off in talent or you'd have to hit with a diamond in the rough type guy late in the draft. (See my seventh rounder McSurdy - I think someone posted Walter's draft around here and he had us taking a Montana CB, but the real stud of the Grizzlies defense was McSurdy, who was the conference defensive POY. A real thumper with great instincts.)

01-10-2012, 01:53 PM
Saccopoo Kindness in words... Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Zion Casino cash: $10025483	Sac's 2012 End of Season Mock 1. Peter Konz, C; Wisconsin: 6'3", 313 lbs. - Yep, it's a ten pick reach at minimum, but Casey Wiegmann, while one of the best at his position during his career, is sniffing 40 and contemplated retirement before this past season. Rather than moving Hudson to center, keep him at guard (where he was a three time ACC first teamer & AP AA) and get a guy like Konz when you have the chance. He's big, physical and has the strength to handle even the biggest defensive tackles. I don't know if he's as good as Alex Mack at the same stage, but he reminds me a lot of him. Other options would include OT's Riley Rieff or Jon Martin; ILB's Luke Kuechly or Dont'a Hightower (no Burfict as he hasn't shown the instincts to play at the next level or the capability to be anything other than a 15 yard personal foul waiting to happen). 2. Matt Reynolds, OT; BYU: 6'6", 330 lbs. - Reynolds is a four year starter, and three year conference first teamer at left tackle. This also might be a bit of a reach, but he won't last beyond the second round and is most likely a better pro prospect than any offensive tackle beyond the top three. He's very athletic for a guy his size and could effectively play either side of the line. Plays nasty and through the whistle. Barry Richardson might be the worst starting offensive tackle in the NFL and the position needs to be addressed immediately. If the Chiefs don't get a shot at one of the top three in the first round, it needs to be addressed here - and Pioli has also shown the propensity to draft offensive line in the second round. 3. Derrek Wolfe, DT; Cincinatti: 6'5", 310 lbs. - Initially, I would have loved the Chiefs to have picked up Wolfe in the 5th round, but after a monster 2011 season where he had 19.5 tackles for a loss and 9.5 sacks from the defensive tackle position for the Bearcats, he's going to be a riser, especially at the 3-4 defensive end spot where his length and speed to go along with his size are damn near prototype for the position. Jackson flashed a couple times in 2011 for the Chiefs, but Dorsey just looks like a "guy" out there and has a tendency to get absolutely engulfed by NFL guards. 4. Vick Ballard, RB; Mississippi State: 5'11", 215 lbs. - With teams loading the box in an effort to stop him (because the Bulldogs didn't have much else offensively), Ballard still managed over 1000 yards on a 5.6 yards per carry. He's physically solid with good muscle mass and has very good vision. Is effective inside as well as out and is a good receiver. He went for 180 yards and two TD's in the Music City Bowl to close out his college career. He's a really good runnning back that would effectively fill the Thomas Jones spot in the lineup. 5. Tank Carder, MLB; TCU; 6'2", 240 lbs. - With the two best blocking tight ends (Lutzenkirchen and Williams) going back to school for the 2013 season, this gets changed to linebacking stud Carder, who is the two-time MWC Defensive Player of the Year. Very instinctive and fundamentally sound, he was asked to do a lot in the middle playing in TCU's oddball 4-2-5 defense. Is effective in both coverage and filling the gaps on runs. Likes to put the big hit on carriers, but also plays smart. Is long and would be capable of carrying more weight to play inside in a 34. MVP of the 2011 Rosebowl when TCU beat a very good Wisconsin team. The guy can play some football. 6. Sean Cattouse, SS; California: 6'2", 215 lbs. - With the loss of Berry at the start of the season, it highlighted the lack of depth that the Chiefs have at the strong safety position. McGraw has superb instincts but runs like he's in molasses. Sabby was a stopgap because of the injury. Cattouse has been solid for the Bears all season and one of the few bright spots on their defense. He's big, fast, likes to put the big hit on guys and has the tools to be an effective player with coaching. This is what you want in a backup strong safety. 7. Nick Provo, TE; Syracuse: 6'4", 250 lbs. - Originally this was Caleb McSurdy, ILB; Montana, but with the pick of Carder in the fifth, another productive tight end on the roster is needed. Provo was First Team All-Big East in 2011 and set the Syracuse school record for career receptions for a tight end despite really only getting onto the field his junior and senior seasons. A Mackey semi-finalist in 2011. Last edited by Saccopoo; 01-17-2012 at 09:12 PM..
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O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $2304064	If we could come out of the draft with Konz, Hightower, Reynolds, and Chris Polk, I'd be fine with not having Luck. However I think it would be pretty tough to not pull the trigger and get Luck. He sets your franchise up for 15 years.
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