A ton of Kiper tidbits, some involving the Chiefs.

[Direckshun]

If you're a Kiper hater, PLEASE SKIP THIS THREAD.

Conversations about whether Kiper's an idiot bore the shit out of me.

Enjoy the draft nuggets. That is all.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper: Johnny Manziel is the NFL's consensus No. 1 QB http://sbn.to/1aznPXK

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper on Seattle: "Everybody doesn't have the array of talent that the Seahawks do. Everybody's going to copy that and I say good luck."

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper doesn't think Sammy Watkins will slip past the fifth pick.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
I'll have to go back and listen, but now Kiper just said Breeland is a third or fourth rounder.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper on Borland: I don't care how tall he is. He's got great instincts, love his approach. He's going to be a second round pick.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks all three top offensive tackles go in the top 11. He has Robinson No. 2 to St. Louis.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper said the majority of teams have it Robinson, Lewan and Matthews.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks Jake Matthews may be slipping a bit because some teams view him as a right tackle.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper mentioned 3rd round for Austin Seferian-Jenkins, which makes me sad.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks the Ravens should look at Eric Ebron in the first round, if he's not there a WR.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks Bashaud Breeland of Clemson could go in the second round. Whoa.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
2nd round for Kyle Fuller, 3rd or 4th of Antone Exum.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks Logan Thomas could still be a 2nd or 3rd rounder, but he can't play early. Some in the NFL still think he's a 6th rounder.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper: Third to fifth round for Michael Sam. Andrew Wilson Day 3. James Franklin UDFA. Day 3 for the Mizzou WRs depending on workouts.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks Ealy would fit in New Orleans because he's versatile. But he thinks he'll be a late first round pick.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks there will be a lot of centers and guards in the second round for the Colts to get.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper has Morgan Moses as a late first or early second rounder as a right tackle. Thinks Jack Mewhort is a second rounder.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks Zack Martin would be a good pick for Miami and could be in play for Arizona. Cyrus Kouandjio in that range as well.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper says Kelcy Quarles is gaining a lot of momentum and could be a mid second round pick and may rise higher.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
@ChrisBurke_SI That's the oddest part of this call.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper said a lot of teams still have Clowney No. 1 on their boards.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks Clowney, like Manziel, could go No. 1 or No. 3 to get pressure on Andrew Luck in the AFC South.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks Jace Amaro goes late in the first round, maybe to New England with pick No. 29.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks Calvin Pryor may end up being the top safety because he can play free or strong.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper: "I think the next Steve Smith could be Brandin Cooks, who I have going to Carolina with pick No. 28."

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks Bruce Gaston is a fourth rounder but could rise with a good pro day. Thinks Ricardo Allen is a UDFA.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks Stanley Jean-Baptiste is a mid-second rounder and will be the first Nebraska player draft. Now, Purdue questions!

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper doesn't think Lewan gets past Tennessee with pick No. 11.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks Lewan could go No. 2 to St. Louis or to Buffalo at No. 9. In the big board, Kiper thinks he's a top 10 player.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper: Lewan has outstanding feet, balance and pass protection. Me: Uh...

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper on Lewan: He's a heck of a prospect, and I've thought that all along. It wasn't him, it was the interior of the line.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks that by the time the draft happens, Teddy Bridgewater will be underrated. Says Bortles has momentum and Manziel is NFL's No. 1

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper said there's not a consensus in the NFL on Bridgewater. He has it Bridge/Bortles/Manziel but GMs and scouts have them mixed up.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
@bhavikjpatel I'm on a conference call.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper says TIm Jernigan would be "a heck of a pick" for the Bears if he's there. "I don't think DL is something you can wait on."

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper on Clowney being worried about injury in 2013: "That's all he worried about this year, it seems like."

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper on the Browns: They could go QB/WR or WR/QB depending how the ratings work out for them.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
"You see some similarities between Bridgewater and Donovan McNabb." Kiper says he's heard Cleveland has a high opinion of Bridgewater.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks Manziel will go No. 1 or No. 3. He thinks the Browns go with Teddy Bridgewater.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
"For Cleveland, to see Manziel there would be a surprise to me. When you talk to people in the league, he's the consensus No. 1 QB."

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper says WR might be a position the Steelers wait on a little bit in the draft this year because of the depth and what they did last year.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks the Steelers could land the second best corner with their first round pick, whether that's Gilbert or Dennard.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks just two or three first round cornerbacks. "A lot of 2nd and 3rd round coners."

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks the first round would be a nice opportunity for the Chiefs to draft a WR because of the quality of the position.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper mentions Benjamin, Beckham, Adams, Cooks, Landry as guys that would be "viable" for Kansas City.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper: KC could go WR, safety, tight end. If you look at the WR pos, you could see 6-9 in the 1st round. Underclassmen need to test well.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper: "Mack could jump into the mix at No. 3 easily (with a good combine)."

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper starts by talking the importance of the Combine because it gives teams true measurables on underclassmen.

[O.city]

Or for some odd reason Khalil Mack fell into our laps.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by O.city

You stated that we have two top 5 pass rushers *or something of that nature, IIRC) and I was offering an opinion that I think Tamba has become overrated by some and that we aren't really set at OLB.

My point was that the DL, in it's current state, allowed for it to happen. We're talking about the DL, not OLB.

Originally Posted by O.city

I would draft Hageman as I think he has higher upside earlier than Tuitt, but it depends what we do in free agency as well as I'd hope to see us fill needs in free agency and open up the draft.

I just want us to draft a dynamic playmaker for once in a ****ing blue moon.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by O.city

Or for some odd reason Khalil Mack fell into our laps.

Not happening.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

My point was that the DL, in it's current state, allowed for it to happen. We're talking about the DL, not OLB.



I just want us to draft a dynamic playmaker for once in a ****ing blue moon.

We just did in 2010/2011/2012

Or atleast tried to.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

Not happening.

I know.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by O.city

We just did in 2010/2011/2012

Or atleast tried to.

The closest they came was Berry. And then they turned him into a glorified LB.

The Baldwin pick was always intended to be a complement to Bowe. I don't know how you could call it an attempt to draft a dynamic playmaker when pretty much every scouting report said the guy was basically a TE in a WR's body.

[O.city]

Unless you're of the belief that injuries and fatigue killed our front 7, which it probably did to some extent, our front 7, specifically our DL isn't good enough to beat elite QB's. It could be, with a little more variety but thats a coaching item I'm thinking.

Trading down isn't a bad idea if we're looking to add a WR either.

You could potentially add another 3rd rounder and still add a Beckham or Cooks, which would be pretty stellar.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

The closest they came was Berry. And then they turned him into a glorified LB.

The Baldwin pick was always intended to be a complement to Bowe. I don't know how you could call it an attempt to draft a dynamic playmaker when pretty much every scouting report said the guy was basically a TE in a WR's body.

So you're definition of dynamic playmaker is adding a WR or fast TE?

[O.city]

It's tough to say "go WR early" when there are guys like Dri Archer or Mike Davis to be had in round 4 or so, who might be tremendous fits in Andy's offense. I'm not a scout by any means, but in my judgement, the WR's we would be taking in round 1 are potentially good players, but I'm not sure they're that much better players than ones you could get in rounds 3/4/5.

TE is a different story, but only if it's Ebron or Amaro. I'm not relaly big on teh kid form UW.

[OldSchool]

People have to stop getting hung up on the 3-4 defense. How often are we in our base set? Maybe 40% of defensive snaps? In this passing league, the run stuffing 5-tech has virtually been rendered obselete. You can easily get a run stuffer via FA or in the mid to late rounds of the draft. What this defense really needs is a dominant 1-gap interior pass rusher to pair with Poe and a solid FS. Give me Donald or Easley from this draft over any of the 5-techs who will potentially be available to us.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by O.city

Unless you're of the belief that injuries and fatigue killed our front 7, which it probably did to some extent, our front 7, specifically our DL isn't good enough to beat elite QB's. It could be, with a little more variety but thats a coaching item I'm thinking.

I think our DL needs depth more than anything else. Poe needs a breather now and then.

As far as being good enough to beat elite QBs, I think we need help on the backend. I definitely don't see a guy like Hageman being the difference that helps us beat the Broncos or Chargers

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by O.city

So you're definition of dynamic playmaker is adding a WR or fast TE?

No, not at all.

I'd take a CB, a FS, a QB, a pass-rushing OLB...there's lots of positions that can have the kind of impact I'm looking for.

However, when I line that up with the guys that are likely to be available at #23, I think the best choice is at TE or maybe WR.

If Ealy drops, that would obviously change.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by OldSchool

People have to stop getting hung up on the 3-4 defense. How often are we in our base set? Maybe 40% of defensive snaps? In this passing league, the run stuffing 5-tech has virtually been rendered obselete. You can easily get a run stuffer via FA or in the mid to late rounds of the draft. What this defense really needs is a dominant 1-gap interior pass rusher to pair with Poe and a solid FS. Give me Donald or Easley from this draft over any of the 5-techs who will potentially be available to us.

And where are you putting Donald when we do run the 3-4?

Honestly....obviously people would be 100% against moving Poe....but this d-line would be better off drafting a NT and moving Poe to DE. Then both of those players move inside in a 4 man front.

Not happening though.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

How many of Seattle's guys did they draft in the 1st round?

What round did they draft their quarterback? What round did they draft their elite CB in? Hell what about their entire secondary save Earl Thomas? You can say this about any position really.

[saphojunkie]

It's weird, just because not having a second rounder puts a lot of pressure on you to hit a homerun with your first pick.

Which is kind of crap, actually. The best case scenario, I think, is that one of the QBs falls to us and someone trades up to get in front of Cincinatti (maybe Cleveland?) and we pick up a second or third rounder. At that point, I'd feel much more comfortable about going in any direction with our first.