Maas on 610 - There's no leadership...bring Marty as consultant

[dallaschiefsfan]

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[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

By whom?

If he was so great, why hasn't he been hired by an NFL in ANY capacity since being fired in San Diego?

Because he can't win in the playoffs and because I believe he wants control over personnel, which nobody wants to give him (nor should they).

It doesn't take away from the fact that in terms of coaching football players, he is one hell of a coach.

[KCDC]

A consultant is fine, but Marty is a coach of a bygone era best left bygone. The NFL is different today. The good news is that any consultant would tell Clark that there is no leadership. He would report the following:

1) The QB needs to be replaced.
2) No back up QBs appear to have any talent as a starter and should be released.
3) RAC is a nice old man who motivates players by being a nice old man from a bygone era when defenses were designed to stop the run. He is not HC material.
4) Brian Daboll has passion, but little talent. He has yet to figure out how to orchestrate an offense that ranks above 29th in the league. The Chiefs have offensive personnel that should rank much higher. We should find a better OC.
5) The "ACL 3" have underperformed this year. Berry is looking like an average safety, Moeki is playing like Jake O'Connell. JC is still playing well though not with the same speed he had pre-ACL injury. The current OC believes in running him often and between the tackles until he is broken like Larry Johnson.
6) Eric Winston is eating too much Oklahoma Joe's BBQ and needs to improve.
7) The defensive line is not the most important position in the NFL anymore. Tom Dimitrioff learned that you use your first round picks to select impact players (e.g. QB and WR)
8) Pioli should get a scolding that he should learn what every other Bellicheck Tree coach has proven ... they are nothing without Tom Brady. Most coaches going to the Hall of Fame get there because they had a HoF QB. The Patriot Way is: No name defense + an adequate offense + Tom Brady = Superbowl. Take away Tom Brady and you have a team like the chiefs.

I would not fire Pioli if he admitted his failings and accepted the recommendations of the consultant. He still has talent when it comes to drafting and cap control.

[Brock]

It wouldn't surprise me if they did make a run at Marty. "Hey guys, we tried something new and it didn't work. Let's get back to what we know works!"

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by Brock

It wouldn't surprise me if they did make a run at Marty. "Hey guys, we tried something new and it didn't work. Let's get back to what we know works!"

We could hire Girlbac as QB coach!

[Coogs]

Originally Posted by KCDC

I would not fire Pioli if he admitted his failings and accepted the recommendations of the consultant. He still has talent when it comes to drafting and cap control.

Really? What has he done drafting that sets him apart from the rest?

And that is a serious question or two.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by KCDC

A consultant is fine, but Marty is a coach of a bygone era best left bygone. The NFL is different today. The good news is that any consultant would tell Clark that there is no leadership. He would report the following:

1) The QB needs to be replaced.
2) No back up QBs appear to have any talent as a starter and should be released.
3) RAC is a nice old man who motivates players by being a nice old man from a bygone era when defenses were designed to stop the run. He is not HC material.
4) Brian Daboll has passion, but little talent. He has yet to figure out how to orchestrate an offense that ranks above 29th in the league. The Chiefs have offensive personnel that should rank much higher. We should find a better OC.
5) The "ACL 3" have underperformed this year. Berry is looking like an average safety, Moeki is playing like Jake O'Connell. JC is still playing well though not with the same speed he had pre-ACL injury. The current OC believes in running him often and between the tackles until he is broken like Larry Johnson.
6) Eric Winston is eating too much Oklahoma Joe's BBQ and needs to improve.
7) The defensive line is not the most important position in the NFL anymore. Tom Dimitrioff learned that you use your first round picks to select impact players (e.g. QB and WR)
8) Pioli should get a scolding that he should learn what every other Bellicheck Tree coach has proven ... they are nothing without Tom Brady. Most coaches going to the Hall of Fame get there because they had a HoF QB. The Patriot Way is: No name defense + an adequate offense + Tom Brady = Superbowl. Take away Tom Brady and you have a team like the chiefs.

I would not fire Pioli if he admitted his failings and accepted the recommendations of the consultant. He still has talent when it comes to drafting and cap control.

What a bunch of ****ing nonsense.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Rausch

We could hire Girlbac as QB coach!

Grbac and Gannon

[Raiderhater]

Some times I feel hypocritical for insulting other fan bases based on their lack of intelligence.

[FAX]

Originally Posted by KCDC

A consultant is fine, but Marty is a coach of a bygone era best left bygone. The NFL is different today. The good news is that any consultant would tell Clark that there is no leadership. He would report the following:

1) The QB needs to be replaced. Very true and well said, Mr. KCDC.

2) No back up QBs appear to have any talent as a starter and should be released. Probably. Although, it might be a good idea to see Stanzi play a couple of snaps with the first stringers before we permanently can him. They say that it takes time for most quarterbacks to make the transition to the NFL.

3) RAC is a nice old man who motivates players by being a nice old man from a bygone era when defenses were designed to stop the run. He is not HC material. He is round, too. Very round.

4) Brian Daboll has passion, but little talent. He has yet to figure out how to orchestrate an offense that ranks above 29th in the league. The Chiefs have offensive personnel that should rank much higher. We should find a better OC. After Al Saunders, the very idea of Daboll functioning as the Chiefs OC is an insult to all fans of the red and gold everywhere.

5) The "ACL 3" have underperformed this year. Berry is looking like an average safety, Moeki is playing like Jake O'Connell. JC is still playing well though not with the same speed he had pre-ACL injury. The current OC believes in running him often and between the tackles until he is broken like Larry Johnson. I don't know if Jamaal's straight line speed has been affected much. I do, however, wonder about his ability to cut with confidence. As for Moeaki and Berry, yeah ... there are issues, I fear.

6) Eric Winston is eating too much Oklahoma Joe's BBQ and needs to improve. Don't we all? But life is for learning. And we are stardust, we are golden and we've got to get ourselves back to the garden because vegetables are good for you so long as you're also getting approximately 60 grams of quality protein each day.

7) The defensive line is not the most important position in the NFL anymore. Tom Dimitrioff learned that you use your first round picks to select impact players (e.g. QB and WR) Tell that to the Giants. Then run away.

8) Pioli should get a scolding that he should learn what every other Bellicheck Tree coach has proven ... they are nothing without Tom Brady. Most coaches going to the Hall of Fame get there because they had a HoF QB. The Patriot Way is: No name defense + an adequate offense + Tom Brady = Superbowl. Take away Tom Brady and you have a team like the chiefs. Truer words have not been spoken, although I think they might be a tad worse than the Chiefs (which should always be capitalized in this context). We have talented players in key positions. They are, unfortunately, poorly coached at this point and it shows.

I would not fire Pioli if he admitted his failings and accepted the recommendations of the consultant. He still has talent when it comes to drafting and cap control. A GM who is paid 5 million dollars a year and who has won the Executive Of The Year Golden Hand Vac Award 19 years running should not require a consultant to tell him what to do. A guy like that should be able to recruit, hire, train, and retain an highly effective staff of professionals who can accomplish impressive goals in reasonable time frames.

FAX

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by Raiderhader

Some times I feel hypocritical for insulting other fan bases based on their lack of intelligence.

At some point it's our fault.

It's like we're the husband on Boogie Nights and the Chiefs are our wife banging 6 guys in the driveway...

[whoman69]

They need something. I would be afraid that Marty's first suggestion is for him to take over as coach/GM.

[KCDC]

Originally Posted by Coogs

Really? What has he done drafting that sets him apart from the rest?

And that is a serious question or two.

His first year draft was horrid. After that, he did well. Look at the grades given him by the pundits after each draft. We all felt good seeing independent analysts giving us A- drafts while other clubs got Cs.

He avoided the Jimmy Clausen hype and took Berry and McCluster. The latter has his detractors but he is a perfect receiver for Captain Checkdown Cassel. Arenas was a good pick and would be even more valuable if they blitzed him more. He was a star blitzer in college. Getting Stanzi and K. Lewis in the 5th and Powe in the 6th were brilliant at the time.

Trading back to get Baldwin and then using the extra 3rd round pick to get Houston was superb. Bailey has yet to pan out but I think he will be a good one. Jeff Allen will prove to be a good pick. Stephenson might have been a reach but we needed all the help we could get on the line to help Cassel not panic as much and to prepare for B. Albert's potential departure.

All in all, a fine job of drafting the past three years. With 20-20 hindsight he could have done better, but anyone could.

He blew it in the Cassel trade now that we have the ability to see him for what he is. But, he could have traded a bunch of picks to move up to take Sanchez and crippled our team with a Cassel-quality QB and far fewer picks. He could have burned a first rounder on Jimmy Clausen, only to learn that Stanzi's fail is better.

[Frazod]

Originally Posted by whoman69

They need something. I would be afraid that Marty's first suggestion is for him to take over as coach/GM.

Sadly, he would be an improvement on both counts.

[Coogs]

Originally Posted by KCDC

His first year draft was horrid. After that, he did well. Look at the grades given him by the pundits after each draft. We all felt good seeing independent analysts giving us A- drafts while other clubs got Cs.

He avoided the Jimmy Clausen hype and took Berry and McCluster. The latter has his detractors but he is a perfect receiver for Captain Checkdown Cassel. Arenas was a good pick and would be even more valuable if they blitzed him more. He was a star blitzer in college. Getting Stanzi and K. Lewis in the 5th and Powe in the 6th were brilliant at the time.

Trading back to get Baldwin and then using the extra 3rd round pick to get Houston was superb. Bailey has yet to pan out but I think he will be a good one. Jeff Allen will prove to be a good pick. Stephenson might have been a reach but we needed all the help we could get on the line to help Cassel not panic as much and to prepare for B. Albert's potential departure.

All in all, a fine job of drafting the past three years. With 20-20 hindsight he could have done better, but anyone could.

He blew it in the Cassel trade now that we have the ability to see him for what he is. But, he could have traded a bunch of picks to move up to take Sanchez and crippled our team with a Cassel-quality QB and far fewer picks. He could have burned a first rounder on Jimmy Clausen, only to learn that Stanzi's fail is better.

So you really have nothing then. There is not one thing here that any GM couldn't have done.

His best pick was Berry, and that one fell in his lap.

The Baldwin/Houston deal, Cleveland called and made an offer... their early 3rd for a trade back of a few spots in the late 1st...so he took it. Not a shrude move that any other GM couldn't have pulled off. And he got lucky that Houston fell due to issues.

[KCDC]

Originally Posted by Coogs

So you really have nothing then. There is not one thing here that any GM couldn't have done.

His best pick was Berry, and that one fell in his lap.

The Baldwin/Houston deal, Cleveland called and made an offer... their early 3rd for a trade back of a few spots in the late 1st...so he took it. Not a shrude move that any other GM couldn't have pulled off. And he got lucky that Houston fell due to issues.

Any GM can have good picks and trades, that is true. Pioli is no Superman to reinvent the draft. My point is that if you compared Pioli's drafts to those of other GMs in the same period, he would stack up favorably.