Is Grossman the worst QB to ever start the Super Bowl? - Page 7

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-21-2007, 10:55 PM

I really can't think of anyone worse...who QB'ed the LA Rams against the Steelers? Even Kerry Collins was better than Grossman.

milkman · 01-21-2007, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

Not really...

Trent Green is probably one of the least gifted QB's in the league, and if he was entering the draft, he'd probably be overlooked just like he was before...

What made Green great was his ability to master a system and use his head to make good plays. Scouts can't scout that...

That's why all of these talented guys like Ryan Leaf, Joey Harrington, David Carr etc... have been busts. All the talent in the world, but lack the makeup of a successful QB.

The point is "There's a reason....." never made a dent with you.
You sure as hell can't expect it to work in reverse.

Hootie · 01-22-2007, 12:01 AM

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I think Grossman has potential, he's got a great arm... but I definitely don't get the interview thing, that's about the worst possible argument... Grossman was the guy who said he wasn't prepared for a game because he was excited about partying for New Year's... yeaaaah, that's leadership.

haha.

So, listening to someone talk and answer questions in an interview isn't a good way to determine whether or not they are intelligent?!

How do people get hired if this is the case?

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-22-2007, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

Absolutely.

Joe Montana wasn't a super talented QB...he was just a winner with a very accurate and clutch arm.

He had all of the mental aspects of being a QB down to a T...that has nothing to do with talent.

Ryan Leaf had more talent than Joe Montana, too...

It's funny how you claim to be this super-intelligent person but you don't understand the most simple logic.

Logic as in "talent only equates to physical and not mental tools"?

There are plenty of gangbangers, crack heads, and inbreds in Mississippi who could chuck a football 70 yards, but it doesn't make them talented. Talent is a holistic evaluation of both mental and physical aspects.

Of course, arguing this with someone whose definition of logic is lobotomized is probably like ice-skating uphill.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-22-2007, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

haha.

So, listening to someone talk and answer questions in an interview isn't a good way to determine whether or not they are intelligent?!

How do people get hired if this is the case?

Watch the interview scene from Bull Durham again, get a fucking clue, and get back to us.

Hootie · 01-22-2007, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

The point is "There's a reason....." never made a dent with you.
You sure as hell can't expect it to work in reverse.

I guess...

Huard obviously should've been starting over Trent after the injury, and we all know that now...

It's a shame I'm not our head coach, we might be in the Super Bowl right now...I know Damon would've been starting had I been the guy calling the shots.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-22-2007, 12:03 AM

I'm still completely flabbergasted that you think the most cerebral position in all of sports, the most mentally demanding of all doesn't include mental acumen as part of its talent evaluation process

Hootie · 01-22-2007, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hummus' Jenkins

Logic as in "talent only equates to physical and not mental tools"?

There are plenty of gangbangers, crack heads, and inbreds in Mississippi who could chuck a football 70 yards, but it doesn't make them talented. Talent is a holistic evaluation of both mental and physical aspects.

Of course, arguing this with someone whose definition of logic is lobotomized is probably like ice-skating uphill.

Well, mentally Montana was the best ever. That's for sure.

But we're talking about raw, physical talent here. Spin it any way you want, but Grossman has more talent than Montana had. He does.

LeBron has more talent than MJ, too.

Doesn't mean either win will ever turn into a winner and be considered one of the best ever...

Hootie · 01-22-2007, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hummus' Jenkins

I'm still completely flabbergasted that you think the most cerebral position in all of sports, the most mentally demanding of all doesn't include mental acumen as part of its talent evaluation process

Well it must not be a big part of it, because Devin Hester was drafted in the 2nd round of the NFL draft...and he's the dumbest human being on the planet.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-22-2007, 12:05 AM

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First off, Rex isn't 'my boy', and secondly, how has he cracked under pressure? The whole city of Chicago was calling for Griese and Rex has them in the Super Bowl.

That's cracking under pressure, alright!

Minnesota, Arizona, Miami, Green Bay....

Any time the dude gets anyone in his face the ball is up for grabs. He's a human turnover machine...

There's a reason why he nearly led the fucking league in turnovers in the second half (compared to other TEAMS, not players)

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-22-2007, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

Well it must not be a big part of it, because Devin Hester was drafted in the 2nd round of the NFL draft...and he's the dumbest human being on the planet.

What about that did you not get?

"The most cerebral position in all of sports"

"the most mentally demanding"

Since when does Grossman return kicks, or Hester play QB?

Hootie · 01-22-2007, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hummus' Jenkins

Minnesota, Arizona, Miami, Green Bay....

Any time the dude gets anyone in his face the ball is up for grabs. He's a human turnover machine...

There's a reason why he nearly led the fucking league in turnovers in the second half (compared to other TEAMS, not players)

and those games he played poorly in matter because...

??

When the Bears needed him the most, in the last two games, in the postseason, he delivered.

He's been the starting QB since day 1, has led the Bears to a 15-3 record, and is starting in the Super Bowl.

He's had his fair share of GREAT games, GOOD games, AVERAGE games, and totally SHITTY games...

But, what is he doing in two Sunday's? He's starting at QB in the Super Bowl.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-22-2007, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

But we're talking about raw, physical talent here. Spin it any way you want, but Grossman has more talent than Montana had. He does.

No, you're talking about arm strength as the sole determinent of quarterback talent, accounting nothing for accuracy, intelligence, decision making, pocket presence, or an ability to read a defense.

Hey, if you want to posit 1/6 of the argument as all of the argument, go ahead. I'm sure you'll go a long way with 16%s.

Hootie · 01-22-2007, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hummus' Jenkins

What about that did you not get?

"The most cerebral position in all of sports"

"the most mentally demanding"

Since when does Grossman return kicks, or Hester play QB?

You must be smarter than all of the scouts and experts who had his dumbass going in the first round.

I mean, he's such an idiot and is so unintelligent, he shouldn't have been drafted at all, right?!?!

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-22-2007, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

and those games he played poorly in matter because...

??

When the Bears needed him the most, in the last two games, in the postseason, he delivered.

He's been the starting QB since day 1, has led the Bears to a 15-3 record, and is starting in the Super Bowl.

He's had his fair share of GREAT games, GOOD games, AVERAGE games, and totally SHITTY games...

But, what is he doing in two Sunday's? He's starting at QB in the Super Bowl.

You put anyone in the league behind that center and the Bears are in the same place.

Look, I'm tired of mentally eviscerating you. It's like punting a dwarf. It's fun after a while, but after you watch them scrape themselves off the pavement, waddle back over and say "is that the best you've got" for the tenth time, you stop laughing at their missing teeth and just move on.

Hootie · 01-22-2007, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hummus' Jenkins

No, you're talking about arm strength as the sole determinent of quarterback talent, accounting nothing for accuracy, intelligence, decision making, pocket presence, or an ability to read a defense.

Hey, if you want to posit 1/6 of the argument as all of the argument, go ahead. I'm sure you'll go a long way with 16%s.

Grossman had better numbers than Trent Green this year.

Grossman can throw the deep ball, and hit his RB in the flats, too...

Shit, we'd probably be a playoff team with Grossman as our QB. Grossman > Green.

I think just about every QB in the league other than Walter was better than Green this year.

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