Dear, Vikings: Thanks for our quarterback; Sincerely, Chiefs

[CoMoChief]

Originally Posted by Micjones

I don't believe they'll have to.
I think Gailey will have time to really flesh out the playbook and add more wrinkles to the philosophy in the off-season. There's only so much you can do when you're gameplanning on a weekly basis.

I think you can tweak this offense just like Saunders tailored the Air Coryell offense to his offensive weapons.
Remember...In the early-going they didn't exactly know what to do with Priest.

Yet still Priest led the NFL in rushing that season. It hink they had a pretty good idea what to do with him.

[beer bacon]

Originally Posted by Darth CarlSatan

I'm no fan of R2P2, and I DO like the creativity that Gailey has brought to the table with Thigpen.
I just believe that you're not going to get to the playoffs running the football out of a shotgun.

There is a very simple way to get to the playoffs running the football out of the shotgun. It is called a top ten defense.

Since Thigpen took over at QB, we have scored over 23 ppg and ran for over 120 ypg at over 5 ypc. None of this matters. We are giving up 30 ppg. No team will win more then three or four games giving up 30 ppg.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by beer bacon

There is a very simple way to get to the playoffs running the football out of the shotgun. It is called a top ten defense.

Since Thigpen took over at QB, we have scored over 23 ppg and ran for over 120 ypg at over 5 ypc. None of this matters. We are giving up 30 ppg. No team will win more then three or four games giving up 30 ppg.

If that's where we're headed, then it is QUITE safe to say that our Draft Day QB pick need not be "Old School Pure Pocket", and that our possibilities/choices increase considerably.

This makes a guy like Stafford not nearly as deathly important to the Chiefs, and it opens the door for Bradford, McCoy, Harrell, and Tebow*, yes?

*See the Panda:

[Reerun_KC]

Originally Posted by beer bacon

There is a very simple way to get to the playoffs running the football out of the shotgun. It is called a top ten defense.

Since Thigpen took over at QB, we have scored over 23 ppg and ran for over 120 ypg at over 5 ypc. None of this matters. We are giving up 30 ppg. No team will win more then three or four games giving up 30 ppg.

We should have one soon, We have Herm and he is a defense fixer...

[Sure-Oz]

I love how Plax may lose his career and freedom but pacman has had a million chances, that dude deserves to be in jail more than plax's dumbass

[kcchiefsus]

I think what will determine if Tyler can be our QBOTF, or at least for the near future until we find somebody better, is whether he can learn to play under center about 50% of the time. If he can play out of both the shotgun and under center and be successful then I think we might have a keeper. We'll see how he does in the offseason when they have time to form the offense around him.

[Chieftain58]

Originally Posted by kcchiefsus

I think what will determine if Tyler can be our QBOTF, or at least for the near future until we find somebody better, is whether he can learn to play under center about 50% of the time. If he can play out of both the shotgun and under center and be successful then I think we might have a keeper. We'll see how he does in the offseason when they have time to form the offense around him.

I think you have said it perfectly... can he play under center?

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by Chieftain58

I think you have said it perfectly... can he play under center?

Motion seconded, and that's all I've been trying to say here.

[BigChiefFan]

Brilliant. Herm was Hell Bent on scrap heaping a potent offense for 40 plus games and now all the sudden, he's had a revelation? Bullshit. This is, save your own ass, coach speak and I'm not buying it. Herm will be right back to his conservative ways, when ever the heat is off. Besides that, who in the Hell actually buys that Thigpen was Herm's starter form day one? Two-Face is full of shit.

[Brock]

Yeah, if only we had kept Willie Roaf, Priest Holmes and Trent Green.

[BigChiefFan]

Originally Posted by Brock

Yeah, if only we had kept Willie Roaf, Priest Holmes and Trent Green.

I know-they are the only Players that can run the Air Coreyell, right?

[Fish]

Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

Brilliant. Herm was Hell Bent on scrap heaping a potent offense for 40 plus games and now all the sudden, he's had a revelation? Bullshit. This is, save your own ass, coach speak and I'm not buying it. Herm will be right back to his conservative ways, when ever the heat is off. Besides that, who in the Hell actually buys that Thigpen was Herm's starter form day one? Two-Face is full of shit.

This excuse just makes no sense at all.... Save his own ass? Herm will go conservative when the heat is off?

What heat? What pressure? Clark hasn't said or done shit. Everybody knew we were going to suck this year. Herm's job was never on the line, and it's not on the line now. If it was ever on the line, he would have been fired after the home opener. To say that Herm changed the offense "to save his job" is just stupid. He's proving the majority wrong with the offense, and some people are butthurt. The same people who said he'd never deviate from the R2P2 offense. He'll never pass the ball. He hates TDs. Nothing but fieldgoals. Up the centers ass and punt. Well BS.....

[Reerun_KC]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

You don't get it, do you?

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

If the Chiefs improve to 7-9 next year with more than 75% of the team still in their first contract (and the majority in the first and second years), what makes you think this team won't make a huge leap forward in 2010?

Like a playoff win and maybe beyond?

Well the same reason a lot of people including myself "just don’t get it".

I think you and I are debating two different issues here... Yes I feel the team is capable of 7-9 next year or better, but as I stated in a previous post, Herms game time decisions will cost us 1-3 games, Hell already cost us 2 games this year. The teams we have to face next year have coaches that understand the NFL and are miles ahead of Herm. So take that and factor in another 1-3 games and I can see the Chiefs going between 4-12 and 6-10 relatively easy... Its not hate or fact, its just an opinion.

I feel the talent is "at places" there Dane, but coaching is not. We have 6 sacks on the year... That is 6! Gun and Herm are to blame; these are Herms DL'men, Herms Tampon 2 and Gunthers, whatever the freak he is good for defense. Yet we can only muster up 6 sacks... We play so passive on _efense it is scary....

So are we going to debate the talent we have at certain positions and a team that could be middle of the pack next year? Or are we going to debate the coach that will ultimately keep them from reaching their goals???

Because with all the talent Mr. Keen eye has drafted over the years, all the holes he has fixed, all the players he has developed, IF he was so freaking great, why the freak is his record so bad, his teams always start the seasons slow, unprepared and injuries run through it like a Hurricane? The guy just doesn’t have "it" and it shows not only in his record, but his decisions when the stakes are the highest.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Because with all the talent Mr. Keen eye has drafted over the years, all the holes he has fixed, all the players he has developed, IF he was so freaking great, why the freak is his record so bad, his teams always start the seasons slow, unprepared and injuries run through it like a Hurricane? The guy just doesn’t have "it" and it shows not only in his record, but his decisions when the stakes are the highest.

Herm and Kuharich took control of personnel in 2008. The draft and the signings of undrafted free agents (Mike Cox, Maurice Leggett, etc.) along with waiver wire acquisitions such as Bradley have been among the best talent acquisitions the Chiefs have had in nearly 20 years.

This team had been built through free agency. Herm was given what he was given in 2006 and 2007. He went to the owner and asked that he have control over personnel. There's nothing else he could with the old philosophy.

Furthermore, if he didn't have "It", how was he able to get to the playoffs 3 out of 5 years in New York and in his first year in KC? Especially without the services of Trent Green and Willie Roaf?

Who would have thought that was possible in 2005, when the Chiefs had won on 7 games in 2004?

Back to Herm: Are you really not seeing improvement in this squad from week to week? Do you actually WATCH each and every game or are you going by reports on Chiefsplanet or the radio?

[Reerun_KC]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Herm and Kuharich took control of personnel in 2008. The draft and the signings of undrafted free agents (Mike Cox, Maurice Leggett, etc.) along with waiver wire acquisitions such as Bradley have been among the best talent acquisitions the Chiefs have had in nearly 20 years.

This team had been built through free agency. Herm was given what he was given in 2006 and 2007. He went to the owner and asked that he have control over personnel. There's nothing else he could with the old philosophy.

Furthermore, if he didn't have "It", how was he able to get to the playoffs 3 out of 5 years in New York and in his first year in KC? Especially without the services of Trent Green and Willie Roaf?

Who would have thought that was possible in 2005, when the Chiefs had won on 7 games in 2004?

Back to Herm: Are you really not seeing improvement in this squad from week to week? Do you actually WATCH each and every game or are you going by reports on Chiefsplanet or the radio?

There is a post around here that explains Herms coaching tenure in NYJ including his playoffs, if you havent read it, you should. Its pretty telling.

In 2005 the chiefs went 10-6 with DV, was strong at the end of the year, but the Dallas, Philly and NYG games cost them, I am not sure what Herm had to do with that, but okay?

In 2006, it was one of the biggest miracles in history, we needed what? 3 teams to lose and it came down to Denver and SF in overtime at Denver for us to make the playoffs. Yes we won an ugly home game, but by no means did we make the playoffs without the Lord Jesus himselfs help.

So his time in NYJ and the last two years are not Herms only drafts? So all that talent he drafted and developed was not his? Okay now I am confused? So we can only judge Herm on 2008 and not his previous drafts/tenures, unless we are looking at things that make him look good, like beating the Colts in the playoffs, but not anything else right?

Would be nice if the coach had a backbone in 2006 and 2007, instead of being a foot suffling porter to the King...