My draft wish... - Page 7

htismaqe · 01-03-2006, 10:43 AM

Everybody has already talked about Marcus McNeil, I think he'd be an awesome pick, but...

The guy I really covet is Michael Huff from Texas. He's played both CB and S in college, but at 6'1", 205, I'd be looking at him to take over Greg Wesley's spot. He's an electric playmaker and has a real nose for the ball.

He looks like a guy that could go 6-7 picks ahead of us, but because of his tweener status, he could slip.

Herzig · 01-03-2006, 03:59 PM

Another...

Manny Lawson DE 6’6 245 North Carolina St.
By: Robert Davis

Manny Lawson is one of the truly elite athletes in college football. Not only has he found time to play both end and linebacker, he’s also a track standout having competed in the long jump and hurdles during his time at NC St. As a linebacker in 2002, Lawson had 35 tackles, with one of them coming for loss. As a part time starter in 2003, he improved on all his numbers. He totaled 53 tackles, seven for loss, with three sacks. Lawson made the switch to DE in 2004, and became a full time starter for the first time in his career. On the year, he finished with 50 tackles, 12 for loss, and seven sacks.

Lawson is an absolute freak of an athlete. He has excellent agility, closing speed, and jumping ability. Pound for pound, he may also be the strongest player in the draft. There is not a single physical trait he lacks. On the football field, he is an emerging talent. He did not make too many plays early on, but once he moved to defensive end, he started to show his pass rushing ability. His upside is tremendous, and he could be a standout pass rusher at the next level. Lawson is also a standout special teamer.

With all his athletic gifts, he is prone to relying on them too often. A major part of that is due to his inexperience on the defensive line. As an end, he lacks the bulk to be a player against the run. Lawson carries the tweener tag, but that has not been a negative lately. Still, he may only fit for certain teams.

Manny Lawson has tremendous upside. As a pass rusher, he has as much pure talent as anyone in the draft. He is listed here as a defensive end, but he has the ability to play OLB in a 3-4 defense. Lawson is a guy that should rise up the charts as the draft approaches because of his awesome physical ability. He will really tear up the combines and individual workouts. Do not be surprised to see him crack the first round, but the second is the safe bet.

htismaqe · 01-03-2006, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

I don't think Tamba Hali will make it to the second or third round. He may be around when we pick though.

He won't make it out of the 1st, IMO. I'm just not sure he's what we need - he's on the small side, excellent pass rusher, struggles against the run...

htismaqe · 01-03-2006, 04:40 PM

Lawson is likely gonna play OLB in a 3-4.

Mecca · 01-03-2006, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Herzig

Another...

Manny Lawson DE 6’6 245 North Carolina St.
By: Robert Davis

Manny Lawson is one of the truly elite athletes in college football. Not only has he found time to play both end and linebacker, he’s also a track standout having competed in the long jump and hurdles during his time at NC St. As a linebacker in 2002, Lawson had 35 tackles, with one of them coming for loss. As a part time starter in 2003, he improved on all his numbers. He totaled 53 tackles, seven for loss, with three sacks. Lawson made the switch to DE in 2004, and became a full time starter for the first time in his career. On the year, he finished with 50 tackles, 12 for loss, and seven sacks.

Lawson is an absolute freak of an athlete. He has excellent agility, closing speed, and jumping ability. Pound for pound, he may also be the strongest player in the draft. There is not a single physical trait he lacks. On the football field, he is an emerging talent. He did not make too many plays early on, but once he moved to defensive end, he started to show his pass rushing ability. His upside is tremendous, and he could be a standout pass rusher at the next level. Lawson is also a standout special teamer.

With all his athletic gifts, he is prone to relying on them too often. A major part of that is due to his inexperience on the defensive line. As an end, he lacks the bulk to be a player against the run. Lawson carries the tweener tag, but that has not been a negative lately. Still, he may only fit for certain teams.

Manny Lawson has tremendous upside. As a pass rusher, he has as much pure talent as anyone in the draft. He is listed here as a defensive end, but he has the ability to play OLB in a 3-4 defense. Lawson is a guy that should rise up the charts as the draft approaches because of his awesome physical ability. He will really tear up the combines and individual workouts. Do not be surprised to see him crack the first round, but the second is the safe bet.

Manny Lawson in my view, will be a 3-4 stand up rusher. A Ware/Merriman type, in the NFL.

jspchief · 01-03-2006, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

He won't make it out of the 1st, IMO. I'm just not sure he's what we need - he's on the small side, excellent pass rusher, struggles against the run...

I'm not big on drafting a DE. I think with a better interior line, Allen will continue to flourish, and Hicks can be a solid role player. The great DEs will go too early. This draft is heavy with a lot of other positions that could address more pressing needs IMO. I guess it depends on how you feel about Hicks. I know my opinion isn't a common one, but I don't think replacing him is a priority.

duncan_idaho · 01-03-2006, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl

D-end, D-tackle whatever. A d-end is still considered inside when referring to the front 7.

Nice try. Next you'll tell me that an offensive tackle can be blamed when a defensive tackle beats a guard and gets into the backfield, right... Or maybe that Norv Turner is a good coach and should be considered for the Chiefs' vacancy... Or that the sky actually is orange... Or that Chris Berman and Peter King actually know what they're talking about...

htismaqe · 01-03-2006, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

I'm not big on drafting a DE. I think with a better interior line, Allen will continue to flourish, and Hicks can be a solid role player. The great DEs will go too early. This draft is heavy with a lot of other positions that could address more pressing needs IMO. I guess it depends on how you feel about Hicks. I know my opinion isn't a common one, but I don't think replacing him is a priority.

I HATE Hicks.

But we just don't need another 260-lb. speed rusher. We need a 280-lb. backside DE that can play the pass AND the run.

For my money, I'm looking at DT and FS in this draft.

jspchief · 01-03-2006, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

I HATE Hicks.

But we just don't need another 260-lb. speed rusher. We need a 280-lb. backside DE that can play the pass AND the run.

For my money, I'm looking at DT and FS in this draft.

I know. You and everbody else.

I'm just of the opinion that we're never going to have studs at every single position, and Hicks works as a guy that's good enough that I don't consider him a weakness.

I think DT and S are both high priorities, and are positions where we could could get fast return on the investment.

**the Talking Can** · 01-03-2006, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl

D-end, D-tackle whatever. A d-end is still considered inside when referring to the front 7.

Oh yeah, and I challenge anyone here to watch the game tomorrow night and instead of watching the ball go ahead and zero in on Rodrique Wright each and every snap. Then come back and tell me UT defenders aren't overhyped.

translation: "I got owned. Let's change the subject."

Hammock Parties · 01-03-2006, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

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I'm just of the opinion that we're never going to have studs at every single position, and Hicks works as a guy that's good enough that I don't consider him a weakness.

Me too.

Given the choice between an upgrade at DE versus an upgrade at DT, I'll take DT.

htismaqe · 01-03-2006, 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jspchief

I know. You and everbody else.

I'm just of the opinion that we're never going to have studs at every single position, and Hicks works as a guy that's good enough that I don't consider him a weakness.

I think DT and S are both high priorities, and are positions where we could could get fast return on the investment.

I know.

I'm saying I HATE Eric Hicks and I STILL agree with you.

B_Ambuehl · 01-05-2006, 10:13 AM

I missed the game so someone tell me how Rodrique Wright looked last night? Solid high first round material? How many tackles did he have and how much pressure did he get?

How about Huff? I didn't see the game but did see a couple of highlights of him getting embarrassed...Lindale White with the most vicious straight arm i've ever seen...another by a tight end. How'd he look overall though?

jspchief · 01-05-2006, 10:19 AM

Huff had an excellent game. Made plays against the pass and against the run. If anything, he helped his stock last night.

Rod Wright rotated with another DT all night, and wasn't real visible when he was in. I still don't buy into the theory that one game is a large enough sample, especially against a team like USC, but Wright was pretty invisible.

htismaqe · 01-05-2006, 10:29 AM

The thing that concerned about Wright wasn't what he did on the field, it's that he wasn't ON the field very much.

I also noticed though that Okam and the other guy (Peebles) were on and off alot too.

Maybe they just use alot of DT rotation...

jspchief · 01-05-2006, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

The thing that concerned about Wright wasn't what he did on the field, it's that he wasn't ON the field very much.

I also noticed though that Okam and the other guy (Peebles) were on and off alot too.

Maybe they just use alot of DT rotation...

They did use a lot of rotation. I had a hard time keeping track of who was on the field. It was that much more difficult because they had a DE #80 to confuse with Wright's #90. And it's not like the cameras focus on line play.

But still, I would think a 1st round caliber D-lineman would spend more time on the field. He certainly didn't stand out.

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Herzig Wooooooo Pig Soooooiiiie!!! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Northwest Arkansas Casino cash: $9984900	Another... Manny Lawson DE 6’6 245 North Carolina St. By: Robert Davis Manny Lawson is one of the truly elite athletes in college football. Not only has he found time to play both end and linebacker, he’s also a track standout having competed in the long jump and hurdles during his time at NC St. As a linebacker in 2002, Lawson had 35 tackles, with one of them coming for loss. As a part time starter in 2003, he improved on all his numbers. He totaled 53 tackles, seven for loss, with three sacks. Lawson made the switch to DE in 2004, and became a full time starter for the first time in his career. On the year, he finished with 50 tackles, 12 for loss, and seven sacks. Lawson is an absolute freak of an athlete. He has excellent agility, closing speed, and jumping ability. Pound for pound, he may also be the strongest player in the draft. There is not a single physical trait he lacks. On the football field, he is an emerging talent. He did not make too many plays early on, but once he moved to defensive end, he started to show his pass rushing ability. His upside is tremendous, and he could be a standout pass rusher at the next level. Lawson is also a standout special teamer. With all his athletic gifts, he is prone to relying on them too often. A major part of that is due to his inexperience on the defensive line. As an end, he lacks the bulk to be a player against the run. Lawson carries the tweener tag, but that has not been a negative lately. Still, he may only fit for certain teams. Manny Lawson has tremendous upside. As a pass rusher, he has as much pure talent as anyone in the draft. He is listed here as a defensive end, but he has the ability to play OLB in a 3-4 defense. Lawson is a guy that should rise up the charts as the draft approaches because of his awesome physical ability. He will really tear up the combines and individual workouts. Do not be surprised to see him crack the first round, but the second is the safe bet. __________________
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B_Ambuehl Veteran Join Date: Apr 2005 Casino cash: $9805405	I missed the game so someone tell me how Rodrique Wright looked last night? Solid high first round material? How many tackles did he have and how much pressure did he get? How about Huff? I didn't see the game but did see a couple of highlights of him getting embarrassed...Lindale White with the most vicious straight arm i've ever seen...another by a tight end. How'd he look overall though? __________________ Who's decision was it to fire Romeo" - Coleman C Hunt: "It was my decision but it was one that Scott agreed with" LOL
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01-05-2006, 10:29 AM	#104
htismaqe 'Tis my eye! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Chiefsplanet Casino cash: $10269900	The thing that concerned about Wright wasn't what he did on the field, it's that he wasn't ON the field very much. I also noticed though that Okam and the other guy (Peebles) were on and off alot too. Maybe they just use alot of DT rotation...
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