OFFICIAL Debunking the Planet's Chiefs Myths Thread - Page 7

**DaKCMan AP** · 06:44 PM

This thread is dedicated to educating and correcting some growing myths that are perpetuating throughout this BB.

1. We should have kept Lawrence Tynes!

Not even no, HELL NO! Some people have very short memories. Lawrence Tynes missed a 23yd FG in the playoffs. YOU CANNOT COUNT ON A KICKER WHO MISSES A 23 YARD FG IN THE PLAYOFFS. He also missed extra points. This preseason he is kicking a dismal 33% and may get cut by the Giants.

While Medlock hasn't been perfect (50% thus far through 3 preseason games), he has a big leg and a lot of talent. He'll get better, but there may be some growing pains. If you want a young kicker to develop, you've got to stick with him.

For instance, in Nate Kaedings rookie year he kicked 80%, which isn't bad but wouldn't have cracked the top-20 last year. Since, he's improved each year (87.5 in 2005 and 89.7 in 2006). Matt Stover kicked at 72% his first 3 years in the league. He's averaged 86% over the last 13 seasons.

2. We have the worst offensive line in the league!

Yes, we have been spoiled throughout the years with greats such as Dave Szott, Tim Grunhard, John Alt, Will Shields and Willie Roaf among others. Our line, while not spectacular, is still very solid. Don't let the preseason fool you. We are solid inside with Waters-Weigman-Welbourne. Outside we improve at both tackle positions with Turley and McIntosh. We have yet to see our starting offensive line play together along with Jason Dunn and a blocking FB. Save the hysteria until we see the real unit take the field.

There are several teams with lines worse than ours - Oakland, Miami, Houston, Green Bay, Buffalo, Arizona, Tampa and Detroit to name a few. For entertainment sake, here is an offensive line ranking from last season: http://www.nfl.com/goto?id=09000d5d80025d3e

Our line has improved from last season with the departure of I-65 and Sampson and the addition of McIntosh and moving Turley to RT.

3. Samie Parker will get cut!

Despite what goatcheese writes, Samie Parker will be a Chief during the 2007 season. The fact is that no other WR (Hannon, Webb, etc.) has stepped it up enough to take his job. Yes, Samie has the drops. Yes, many of us would like to see him go. However, it will not happen this year.

4. Damon "Downfield" Huard

For some reason many believe that Damon Huard cannot throw the long ball. Convinced, they are, that we are destined for a season of dump off passes in the flat, quick outs and 10 yard overthrown routes (since the furthest Damon can throw is 15yds, a 5 yard overthrow). None of these claims are true, however. Last season Damon Huard had the 9th longest completion in the NFL at 78 yards. In fact, in just 8 starts, Damon had 23 completions of 20+ yards and 5 of 40+.

5. We need to draft a Top-5 pick OT

This is absolute bullshit. A lot of top pick OTs don't pan out (see Robert Gallery, Mike Williams, Leonard Davis among others). Additionally we have a much greater need at QB than O-Line. We just signed McIntosh who can fill in at LT for a while. We should be able to sign a RT to take over for Turley in the offseason. As it stands now, our OLine is not that bad. Today we had a 4.5 ypc average. There were holes there for the running game. We also didn't yeild a single sack until after the game was 17-0. By then we were in obvious passing situations and no O-Line is going to stand up to that type of pressure. Brian Brohm, Colt McCoy, another WR or more D help? Fine. But a top-5 pick offensive lineman is not our #1 need. Even moreso because I don't think Jake Long is the answer.

More to come on an as-needed basis.

unlurking · 09-09-2007, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

Embarassing? #1, 2, 3 and 5 are all spot-on. #4 is somewhat debatable.

#1 is not spot on. I still believe that replacing Tynes was the right thing to do, but Medlock is definitely not the man for the job.

There is no way ANYONE can logically justify starting Medlock and NOT Croyle. Mental issues are much bigger for kickers than QBs, and if Medlock's issue really is mental (and I haven't seen anything to think it's not that he just sucks), then we should bench him until we have a "more positive environment".

**DaKCMan AP** · 09-09-2007, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by unlurking

#1 is not spot on. I still believe that replacing Tynes was the right thing to do, but Medlock is definitely not the man for the job.

There is no way ANYONE can logically justify starting Medlock and NOT Croyle. Mental issues are much bigger for kickers than QBs, and if Medlock's issue really is mental (and I haven't seen anything to think it's not that he just sucks), then we should bench him until we have a "more positive environment".

I'm not justifying not starting Croyle.

unlurking · 09-09-2007, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

1. So? Tynes proved that he is not the answer at kicker after missing a 23yd FG in the playoffs. That is unexcusable. Rookie kickers generally struggle their first year, and until that year is up it's not really fair to judge Medlock.

2. Yes, any team can always use help on the o-line. However, our line is not nearly the worst in the league nor is it our weakest area on the team.

3. Huard did have mostly short throws. He had 2 completions of 20+ yds, though. I'm not arguing that he's a gunslinger, but the notion that he can't throw the ball further than 15 yards is ridiculous.

1) He's struggling MORE than Tynes did his rookie year. He can barely kick the ball down field on kick offs. If this guy was as good as you (and many others) have said, there has got to be something physically wrong with him.

2) Will agree with that. McIntosh was an improvement, but it is still a very weak area (unfortunately we seem to have many of those).

3) That 25 yarder to Bowe was as laughable as you can get. Hell, he got more air under the ball than Medlock gets on kick-offs!!!

unlurking · 09-09-2007, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

I'm not justifying not starting Croyle.

Oops, my mistake based on #4.

el borracho · 09-09-2007, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

1. So? Tynes proved that he is not the answer at kicker after missing a 23yd FG in the playoffs. That is unexcusable. Rookie kickers generally struggle their first year, and until that year is up it's not really fair to judge Medlock.

2. Yes, any team can always use help on the o-line. However, our line is not nearly the worst in the league nor is it our weakest area on the team.

3. Huard did have mostly short throws. He had 2 completions of 20+ yds, though. I'm not arguing that he's a gunslinger, but the notion that he can't throw the ball further than 15 yards is ridiculous.

Well, I disagree about Tynes but it's beyond mattering now, anyway. Tynes is gone and he isn't coming back. Let us hope that Medlock improves.

Worst in the league is probably an exaggeration, you are right about that... but we are worse than most. Honestly, are you satisfied with our Oline?

Can't throw farther than 15 yards? I wouldn't argue that (of course he can throw farther than 15 yards) but Huard is quick to check down. 10 receptions to the RBs, 5 receptions to the TEs, and 7 receptions to the WRs with an average yards per pass of 4.5- that is a problem.

Logical · 09-09-2007, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I think anyone that wants to use a #1 pick on a LT and not a QB is basically out of their mind. This whole idea that a LT is more valuable than a QB is insane.

You really can get a QB through free agency, you are not getting a premier LT through free agency. Hell Willie Roaf was a godsend via trade, thank God Joe Horn screwed Willie's wife.

LTs in the first are far less likely to be a crapshoot than a QB. A QB is at best a 40% chance for success.

Logical · 09-09-2007, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

They blocked enough for a 4.5 ypc average today and gave up 0 sacks while the game was in contention.

I'm not saying if there's a stud LT to take a maybe-ok QB over him. If there is a stud QB and a stud LT, however, we are more in need of the QB.

Is this against the same defensive line that everyone was saying was pathetic for Houston, so why are we supposed to be impressed?

08-28-2007, 03:31 PM
DaKCMan AP Beloved & Awesome CP Celebrity Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Florida Casino cash: $6714952	OFFICIAL Debunking the Planet's Chiefs Myths Thread This thread is dedicated to educating and correcting some growing myths that are perpetuating throughout this BB. 1. We should have kept Lawrence Tynes! Not even no, HELL NO! Some people have very short memories. Lawrence Tynes missed a 23yd FG in the playoffs. YOU CANNOT COUNT ON A KICKER WHO MISSES A 23 YARD FG IN THE PLAYOFFS. He also missed extra points. This preseason he is kicking a dismal 33% and may get cut by the Giants. While Medlock hasn't been perfect (50% thus far through 3 preseason games), he has a big leg and a lot of talent. He'll get better, but there may be some growing pains. If you want a young kicker to develop, you've got to stick with him. For instance, in Nate Kaedings rookie year he kicked 80%, which isn't bad but wouldn't have cracked the top-20 last year. Since, he's improved each year (87.5 in 2005 and 89.7 in 2006). Matt Stover kicked at 72% his first 3 years in the league. He's averaged 86% over the last 13 seasons. 2. We have the worst offensive line in the league! Yes, we have been spoiled throughout the years with greats such as Dave Szott, Tim Grunhard, John Alt, Will Shields and Willie Roaf among others. Our line, while not spectacular, is still very solid. Don't let the preseason fool you. We are solid inside with Waters-Weigman-Welbourne. Outside we improve at both tackle positions with Turley and McIntosh. We have yet to see our starting offensive line play together along with Jason Dunn and a blocking FB. Save the hysteria until we see the real unit take the field. There are several teams with lines worse than ours - Oakland, Miami, Houston, Green Bay, Buffalo, Arizona, Tampa and Detroit to name a few. For entertainment sake, here is an offensive line ranking from last season: http://www.nfl.com/goto?id=09000d5d80025d3e Our line has improved from last season with the departure of I-65 and Sampson and the addition of McIntosh and moving Turley to RT. 3. Samie Parker will get cut! Despite what goatcheese writes, Samie Parker will be a Chief during the 2007 season. The fact is that no other WR (Hannon, Webb, etc.) has stepped it up enough to take his job. Yes, Samie has the drops. Yes, many of us would like to see him go. However, it will not happen this year. 4. Damon "Downfield" Huard For some reason many believe that Damon Huard cannot throw the long ball. Convinced, they are, that we are destined for a season of dump off passes in the flat, quick outs and 10 yard overthrown routes (since the furthest Damon can throw is 15yds, a 5 yard overthrow). None of these claims are true, however. Last season Damon Huard had the 9th longest completion in the NFL at 78 yards. In fact, in just 8 starts, Damon had 23 completions of 20+ yards and 5 of 40+. 5. We need to draft a Top-5 pick OT This is absolute bullshit. A lot of top pick OTs don't pan out (see Robert Gallery, Mike Williams, Leonard Davis among others). Additionally we have a much greater need at QB than O-Line. We just signed McIntosh who can fill in at LT for a while. We should be able to sign a RT to take over for Turley in the offseason. As it stands now, our OLine is not that bad. Today we had a 4.5 ypc average. There were holes there for the running game. We also didn't yeild a single sack until after the game was 17-0. By then we were in obvious passing situations and no O-Line is going to stand up to that type of pressure. Brian Brohm, Colt McCoy, another WR or more D help? Fine. But a top-5 pick offensive lineman is not our #1 need. Even moreso because I don't think Jake Long is the answer. More to come on an as-needed basis. Last edited by DaKCMan AP; 09-09-2007 at 06:44 PM..
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