Keitzman going off on Carl - Page 7

BigChiefFan · 09-11-2007, 01:22 PM

On sports radio 810 Kevein Keitzman is going off on Carl. I love it. He's actually saying some good things. Great rant.

htismaqe · 09-11-2007, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

almost all the youth are guys that will only see the field on special teams.

the starters are just as old as other teams in the league if not older.

Yep.

They have no problem plugging in youth at positions with relatively low risk.

hawkchief · 09-11-2007, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

I think I said that "for years winning wasn't Glass's first priority." Currently, it seems like things are changing for the better. It's going to take more than one off-season signing and one year of increased spending to convince me.

Next year, the Royals are expected to receive $70 mil. in revenue sharing. Let's see us continue to increase the payroll. Let's see us continue to be players for premier free-agent talent. We signed one expensive player. Great. Let's get another good one. Let's see us re-sign a stud player. If Gordon and Butler develop, are you absolutely sure Glass will pony up? Not me. He has a proven track record of not trying to win, and I'm going to have to see more evidence to the contrary before I can get really excited about this team.

Tired of being a glorified farm team...

David Glass backed up his wagon of $$$ and hired Dayton Moore, considered by most as the brightest young GM candidate in baseball. OTOH, The Hunt family continues sto pay one of professional sports biggest hucksters, Carl Peterson, millions of $$ to line their pockets for almost 20 years.

Given how unfair the economics of baseball are for a small market like KC, vis a vis those of NFL football and its revenue sharing, it's easy to argue that Glass is showing a lot more commitment to the fans of KC than the Hunts, at this point.

It's much more fair to criticize the Chiefs for sucking than the Royals. At least the Royals are paying the best guy available, in charge of making personnel decisions on behalf of the franchise.

tk13 · 09-11-2007, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

I think I said that "for years winning wasn't Glass's first priority." Currently, it seems like things are changing for the better. It's going to take more than one off-season signing and one year of increased spending to convince me.

Next year, the Royals are expected to receive $70 mil. in revenue sharing. Let's see us continue to increase the payroll. Let's see us continue to be players for premier free-agent talent. We signed one expensive player. Great. Let's get another good one. Let's see us re-sign a stud player. If Gordon and Butler develop, are you absolutely sure Glass will pony up? Not me. He has a proven track record of not trying to win, and I'm going to have to see more evidence to the contrary before I can get really excited about this team.

Tired of being a glorified farm team...I don't want to spend money for spending's sake, but I want to see the positive trend we've seen this year continue.

I think we'll re-sign guys. We re-signed Sweeney. Beltran wasn't re-signing here, that's a pipe dream and it's embarrassing we still have to hear this crap 4 years down the road. He refused to stay in Houston, and that's the team that payed Roger Clemens a bazillion dollars every year to play half a season. He was going to New York, even if we offered him 200 million dollars.

The only other thing to hang off of was the Dye and Damon stuff, and that was nearly 7-8 years ago now... I think he's changed a lot and understands his role a lot better, and Dayton's probably helped him with that. I don't think Baird really knew how to do that. The problem is we really haven't developed a superstar player in the last 5 years to test that theory. We aren't gonna be able to re-sign every single stud player, hopefully. As Dayton says even the Braves had to let people go. But they always had somebody else to replace them, and that's what you're supposed to do.

Really, that shouldn't be a problem... we'll have the money to resign a few guys, and keep the farm system pumping. People act like that's a bad thing, but that's the same thing the Colts, Bears, Eagles, etc do in football, re-sign their 4-5 key guys and keep pumping the system with new young guys. It keeps things fresh and keeps you from getting straddled with too many bad bloated contracts... like Mike Sweeney.

**DeezNutz** · 09-11-2007, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13

I think we'll re-sign guys. We re-signed Sweeney. Beltran wasn't re-signing here, that's a pipe dream and it's embarrassing we still have to hear this crap 4 years down the road. He refused to stay in Houston, and that's the team that payed Roger Clemens a bazillion dollars every year to play half a season. He was going to New York, even if we offered him 200 million dollars.

The only other thing to hang off of was the Dye and Damon stuff, and that was nearly 7-8 years ago now... I think he's changed a lot and understands his role a lot better, and Dayton's probably helped him with that. I don't think Baird really knew how to do that. The problem is we really haven't developed a superstar player in the last 5 years to test that theory. We aren't gonna be able to re-sign every single stud player, hopefully. As Dayton says even the Braves had to let people go. But they always had somebody else to replace them, and that's what you're supposed to do.

Really, that shouldn't be a problem... we'll have the money to resign a few guys, and keep the farm system pumping. People act like that's a bad thing, but that's the same thing the Colts, Bears, Eagles, etc do in football, re-sign their 4-5 key guys and keep pumping the system with new young guys. It keeps things fresh and keeps you from getting straddled with too many bad bloated contracts... like Mike Sweeney.

Why do you think he's changed? You have a one-year sample. That's great. I'm happy about what we've seen recently. But I know his track record. Please, please, David Glass, prove me wrong.

Yeah, you're right. A team can't and shouldn't re-sign everyone. But you have to have more than one high-quality player on a team, and this one can't be the DH. Ken freakin Harvey can't be your All-Star. There are no more excuses for the Royals. The small market stuff doesn't hold water anymore.

You're also right that we'll have the money to re-sign some guys. But the problem is that this has always been the case. Glass hasn't done it. KC sports: Where dreams go to die.

One last thing, and then I'm going to stop talking Royals: Do we even need to bring up the topic of the draft? Signability, signability, signability. Even this year. Best HS prospect, everyone's #2 player on the board, not drafted. In this regard, same old Royals. No, we probably can't afford A-Rod, but I think we could have paid Porcello (sp?) the $7 mil it would have taken to ink him. This is how "small-market" teams have to compete.

tk13 · 09-11-2007, 03:13 PM

I think the Chiefs are a bit younger... you can't have 25 year old guys all over the field. That's just hard to do. The areas where we're really lacking is the O-line and CB probably. But even at CB we have a couple young undrafted guys Herm likes. We have Allen, Wilkerson, Hali, Turk, Tank, DJ, Harris, Pollard, Page, other than Kennison our other WR's aren't that old. Even have a young TE who could be a project in Allan. Have several RB's that aren't 30 yet. A couple young QB's. I think there's young talent almost every spot on the field.

Now, the flipside to that, when you have that many young guys, some people are gonna think some of them aren't good prospects. That's just natural. We'll just have to wait and see. I'm sure there will be some guys who will totally flop, some that will reach their potential, and some guys nobody thinks anything of who turn into quality players.

tk13 · 09-11-2007, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Why do you think he's changed? You have a one-year sample. That's great. I'm happy about what we've seen recently. But I know his track record. Please, please, David Glass, prove me wrong.

Yeah, you're right. A team can't and shouldn't re-sign everyone. But you have to have more than one high-quality player on a team, and this one can't be the DH. Ken freakin Harvey can't be your All-Star. There are no more excuses for the Royals. The small market stuff doesn't hold water anymore.

You're also right that we'll have the money to re-sign some guys. But the problem is that this has always been the case. Glass hasn't done it. KC sports: Where dreams go to die.

One last thing, and then I'm going to stop talking Royals: Do we even need to bring up the topic of the draft? Signability, signability, signability. Even this year. Best HS prospect, everyone's #2 player on the board, not drafted. In this regard, same old Royals. No, we probably can't afford A-Rod, but I think we could have paid Porcello (sp?) the $7 mil it would have taken to ink him. This is how "small-market" teams have to compete.

What's he gonna do? Fire Dayton? Pull the draft and Latin American money out from under everybody? I think Dayton will quit if anything too obstructive happens. He can have a GM job almost anywhere he wants.

**DeezNutz** · 09-11-2007, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13

What's he gonna do? Fire Dayton? Pull the draft and Latin American money out from under everybody? I think Dayton will quit if anything too obstructive happens. He can have a GM job almost anywhere he wants.

I'm not sure of your point here. What's Glass going to do? Continue to be the same cheap-ass owner that he's consistently proven himself to be. The draft doesn't do anything to help your argument. Check my last amended post. Latin America is the most important change and could make all the difference. As I've repeatedly said, I hope this all changed with the hire of Dayton Moore. Based on our most recent draft, though, this still might not be the case.

lancer348 · 09-11-2007, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

I'm not sure of your point here. What's Glass going to do? Continue to be the same cheap-ass owner that he's consistently proven himself to be. As I've repeatedly said, I hope this all changed with the hire of Dayton Moore. Based on our most recent draft, though, this still might not be the case.

I think you're wrong. DM could have ponied up for Porcello, but most teams have draft budgets and get Porcello, would have meant that there were other high upside guys that we could not take later in the draft.

Also, Look at our Latin American Spending where we are in the top portion of the league.

It's a bad idea to put all your eggs in one basket or prospect, especially with a high school kid in baseball who was not even the top prospect in the draft.

Diversify your Portfolio to minimize risk, this translates well over from finance into a number of areas.

Also, Let's not act like it was just the royals. Over 20 teams, all with money passed. I don't think it was because they are all idiots...

**DeezNutz** · 09-11-2007, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by lancer348

I think you're wrong. DM could have ponied up for Porcello, but most teams have draft budgets and get Porcello, would have meant that there were other high upside guys that we could not take later in the draft.

Also, Look at our Latin American Spending where we are in the top portion of the league.

It's a bad idea to put all your eggs in one basket or prospect, especially with a high school kid in baseball who was not even the top prospect in the draft.

Diversify your Portfolio to minimize risk, this translates well over from finance into a number of areas.

Also, Let's not act like it was just the royals. Over 20 teams, all with money passed. I don't think it was because they are all idiots...

According to most analysts, if Price was #1, Porcello was #1(a). But this is beside the point. I agree with much of what you're saying. My point is that teams that can't sign the A-Rods have to maximize the value in other areas. Spend more on the draft. Always pick best player available. Spend more in Latin America, which it appears we're doing.

tk13 · 09-11-2007, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

I'm not sure of your point here. What's Glass going to do? Continue to be the same cheap-ass owner that he's consistently proven himself to be. The draft doesn't do anything to help your argument. Check my last amended post. Latin America is the most important change and could make all the difference. As I've repeatedly said, I hope this all changed with the hire of Dayton Moore. Based on our most recent draft, though, this still might not be the case.

I'd disagree with that, the draft is the perfect example. We took a Scott Boras client who nobody thought we were gonna sign, and Dayton stood toe-to-toe with Boras and not only got who they thought was the best hitter in the draft, but made the mighty Boras blink first.

**DeezNutz** · 09-11-2007, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13

I'd disagree with that, the draft is the perfect example. We took a Scott Boras client who nobody thought we were gonna sign, and Dayton stood toe-to-toe with Boras and not only got who they thought was the best hitter in the draft, but made the mighty Boras blink first.

If Dayton and co. really believed that Moose was the best player to select, then you're right. But Moore's position has been that pitching is the most important commodity in baseball, and all analysts said that Porcello was the best player available, maybe even the best player in the entire draft. Posnanski had an article the week before the Moose signing and quoted Dayton as saying that Porcello wasn't even an option for the Royals. I find this troubling and suggestive of typical Glass positions over the last 10 years or so.

Mecca · 09-11-2007, 03:55 PM

This thread was fun until it turned into a Royals thread...

BigChiefFan · 09-11-2007, 03:59 PM

I don't like the baseball to football comparasion. It's apples and orages, other than it shows the Royals are moving in the right direction and The Chiefs are going nowhere for 19 years in a row. Obviously the Royals have shown more in recent years. Hence actually making Baird accountable for his actions. Carl is on cruise-control.

ChiefsCountry · 09-11-2007, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by chrisdel

How is our team really younger? D-line and safeties. One receiver. That's it. They claim it's a youth movement, but I don't see it. I could be wrong, but 17 of the 22 starting positions on this team are older than last year.

And if alot of those guys got a year older where here last year. That has to be a dumb ass stat.

Mecca · 09-11-2007, 04:03 PM

Aren't the Chiefs still one of the oldest teams in the league?

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tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $1632500	I think the Chiefs are a bit younger... you can't have 25 year old guys all over the field. That's just hard to do. The areas where we're really lacking is the O-line and CB probably. But even at CB we have a couple young undrafted guys Herm likes. We have Allen, Wilkerson, Hali, Turk, Tank, DJ, Harris, Pollard, Page, other than Kennison our other WR's aren't that old. Even have a young TE who could be a project in Allan. Have several RB's that aren't 30 yet. A couple young QB's. I think there's young talent almost every spot on the field. Now, the flipside to that, when you have that many young guys, some people are gonna think some of them aren't good prospects. That's just natural. We'll just have to wait and see. I'm sure there will be some guys who will totally flop, some that will reach their potential, and some guys nobody thinks anything of who turn into quality players.
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BigChiefFan MVP Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: In the Top 10 Casino cash: $9924205	I don't like the baseball to football comparasion. It's apples and orages, other than it shows the Royals are moving in the right direction and The Chiefs are going nowhere for 19 years in a row. Obviously the Royals have shown more in recent years. Hence actually making Baird accountable for his actions. Carl is on cruise-control. __________________ A 35 year drought can make you thirsty.
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