Chiefs Someone IS "pushing" Matt Cassell...and it AIN'T Tyler freaking Thigpen - Page 7

Hammock Parties · 08-18-2009, 07:29 PM

OK, cheap shot at Thiggy, but this is intriguing. At the very least it should serve up a huge plate of crow to ANYONE who ever bashed Croyle backers. The kid can flat PLAY. He ALWAYS had the ability.

If a miracle happens and he stays healthy...who knows?

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...n-kansas-city/

Croyle making a move in Kansas City?

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on August 18, 2009 8:23 PM ET

Over the weekend, we almost wrote a post on Brodie Croyle appearing to pass Tyler Thigpen on Kansas City's quarterback depth chart. Ultimately, it didn't make the cut.

On Tuesday, Kansas City Star writer Kent Babb wrote that he thought Croyle was playing so well, "he's threatening [Matt] Cassel's job."

Now that's a post.

Babb's bold declaration -- on Twitter, not in the newspaper -- defies logic. Not only did the Chiefs trade for Cassel to be the starter, they handed him a huge contract only a month ago.

Seeing Cassel on the bench would be the most surprising development of a preseason in which Michael Vick became Donovan McNabb's teammate.

Then again, Chiefs coach Todd Haley didn't douse water on the notion Tuesday. Asked if Cassel has been the best quarterback in camp, Haley said: "I'll hold off on answering that."

We've read that Cassel has been inconsistent at times, but overall the reviews of his camp performance have been positive. Croyle played well in Kansas City's preseason opener, but it's hard to believe that would be enough to threaten Cassel.

It is clear, though, that Tyler Thigpen is the forgotten man in Kansas City. Babb wonders if Thigpen will even make the team.

It's also clear that Chiefs coach Todd Haley thinks his team needs some tough love after the Herm Edwards era. Asked Tuesday about Brett Favre's return, Haley turned the focus back inward.

"I'm just worried about this house. It's on fire, and I'm trying to keep it from burning down."

Your 2009 Kansas City Chiefs, ladies and gentlemen!

**luv** · 08-18-2009, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by billay

Croyle sucks cuz he's also inaccurate and on 3rd down he won't even throw it to the sticks.

He drastically improved that in the short time he has played. The latter was a matter of play-calling, IMO.

Micjones · 08-18-2009, 10:47 PM

This is silly...
Cassel's your starter...with a bullet.

Titty Meat · 08-18-2009, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by luv

He drastically improved that in the short time he has played. The latter was a matter of play-calling, IMO.

He did it the other night too. Wrght was able to run after the catch though.

**luv** · 08-18-2009, 10:48 PM

I'm not saying anyone is pushing Cassel. I'm just saying that Croyle doesn't suck. Thought I'd make myself clear on that.

MoreLemonPledge · 08-18-2009, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by luv

I'm not saying anyone is pushing Cassel. I'm just saying that Croyle doesn't suck. Thought I'd make myself clear on that.

He doesn't suck. Never has. Just can't stay healthy.

**KcMizzou** · 08-18-2009, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by MoreLemonPledge

He doesn't suck. Never has. Just can't stay healthy.

Yeah. Honestly, I feel bad for the guy. Not his fault, really.

**luv** · 08-18-2009, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by KcMizzou

Yeah. Honestly, I feel bad for the guy. Not his fault, really.

Exactly. If we could focus on getting offensive linemen in there instead of trying to make a point to Bowe, I think we'd be better off.

Titty Meat · 08-18-2009, 10:54 PM

6 Td's 8 picks and 0 wins as a starter. I guess he'd be an ok backup but these people saying he should be the starter shhhh.

**KcMizzou** · 08-18-2009, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by luv

Exactly. If we could focus on getting offensive linemen in there instead of trying to make a point to Bowe, I think we'd be better off.

Eh... A better line won't change that fact that he's fragile. Quarterbacks get hit. There's no avoiding it.

I wish the guy the best, and I'd be thrilled to see him succeed as a starter, but the fact is... right now... you can't depend on him. Sucks, because the kid does seem to have talent.

mikey23545 · 08-19-2009, 02:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Hiring the "hot candidate" didn't work for the other team in town so....Personally Pioli wasn't my first choice so hey we'll see I guess.

Still can't believe they passed you over, huh?....

Quesadilla Joe · 08-19-2009, 03:11 AM

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Originally Posted by L.A.Chieffan

if croyle wins the starters job id like everyone to know i led a good life with few regrets...

I don't see why it would be a bad thing if Haley starts the best QB. If Croyle is better than Cassel he should start.

I think Orton will have a big year, but if Simms beats him out and plays at a high level during the regular season I will be happy with it.

JohnnyV13 · 08-19-2009, 03:28 AM

What I don't understand is why Croyle hasn't gotten bigger knowing his durability weakness.

Heck, I'm a really small guy. I weighed 121lbs when I graduated high school. Two years later, I weighed 171 because I worked very hard in the gym.

Hell, I could gain more muscle mass if I were a professional athlete. And, I'm not doing anything exotic with supplements.

I understand he's in an NFL conditioning program and perhaps he's just a rather thin guy who's already maxed out his body, but if I were him, I'd be juiced to the gills with HgH. Its on the banned substance list, but they don't test for it. Of course, I wouldn't use mega doses because that can be very bad if you have unknown tumors: in that case, HgH stimulates tumor growth.

SenselessChiefsFan · 08-19-2009, 06:35 AM

I think Croyle has one of the five best arms in the NFL. He has the kind of arm that is truly impressive in person. He has a better arm that the beloved Sanchez. He has a better arm than Alex Smith. He has a better arm than Leinart. He has an arm comparable to Cutler, or even Elway or Favre in their prime. Not quite as good, but would definitely give those guys a run for their money.

I think Croyle has a ton of leadership. I think Croyle has a ton of mobility.

About the only things that Croyle doesn't have are experience and durability.

Here lies the problem.... he won't get much experience if he can't last more than a half of a football game....

Some of it is just bad luck.... and bad offensive lines.

In reality, he is too tough for his own good. He will stand in the pocket in the face of a strong rush to deliver the ball. He will run for yardage and take the hits.

The guy has come back from so many injuries. He is like a boxer who just keeps getting up.... when so many of us... (Me included),by now would have just hung em' up.

I admire his resolve. I think it is unfortunate that the most talented QB in Chiefs camp right now is also the one that can't be counted on.

SenselessChiefsFan · 08-19-2009, 06:41 AM

For the record, Cassel struggled in last year's camp too.

I would be lying if I said it didn't concern me.... but I am not willing to panic just yet.

If Cassel is a bust, I will be more dissapointed in Pioli than anything else. Pioli was with this guy for a few years. I know that you can never 'know' how a guy will respond to a new situation, new contract, and being 'the' guy.... but the main reason I supported the move for Cassel was because Pioli and Johs McDaniels both really wanted the kid.

That spoke volumes to me. I will be dissapointed in Pioli if this kid doesn't work out.

EyePod · 08-19-2009, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

They were talking about this on 610 today with Teicher.....they were all saying that Cassel hasn't looked good since the 1st week of camp and since the scrimmage he's gone downhill.

I would love Brodie (and I think anyone else would) if he could just stay goddamned healthy.

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

This is just making your day....now you can bash all THREE Chiefs quarterbacks for some reason.

SANCHEZ!

I got sick of the Sanchez bs too, but Mecca was actually juts relaying news. He didn't even mention an opinion. Who would you rather Mecca, Croyle or Cassel? I mean, there's so much money invested in Cassel right now... I wish we didn't sign him to a bigger deal. I'd rather we had just pay him the 1 year and see how it panned out...

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Oh god not this argument.

Really there were plenty of people on this forum who preferred other guys to Pioli.

I never heard of those people, and I can't see a reason (other than hating anything from Patriot Nation) for not wanting the best available.

08-18-2009, 07:29 PM
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $3210478	Someone IS "pushing" Matt Cassell...and it AIN'T Tyler freaking Thigpen OK, cheap shot at Thiggy, but this is intriguing. At the very least it should serve up a huge plate of crow to ANYONE who ever bashed Croyle backers. The kid can flat PLAY. He ALWAYS had the ability. If a miracle happens and he stays healthy...who knows? http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...n-kansas-city/ Croyle making a move in Kansas City? Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on August 18, 2009 8:23 PM ET Over the weekend, we almost wrote a post on Brodie Croyle appearing to pass Tyler Thigpen on Kansas City's quarterback depth chart. Ultimately, it didn't make the cut. On Tuesday, Kansas City Star writer Kent Babb wrote that he thought Croyle was playing so well, "he's threatening [Matt] Cassel's job." Now that's a post. Babb's bold declaration -- on Twitter, not in the newspaper -- defies logic. Not only did the Chiefs trade for Cassel to be the starter, they handed him a huge contract only a month ago. Seeing Cassel on the bench would be the most surprising development of a preseason in which Michael Vick became Donovan McNabb's teammate. Then again, Chiefs coach Todd Haley didn't douse water on the notion Tuesday. Asked if Cassel has been the best quarterback in camp, Haley said: "I'll hold off on answering that." We've read that Cassel has been inconsistent at times, but overall the reviews of his camp performance have been positive. Croyle played well in Kansas City's preseason opener, but it's hard to believe that would be enough to threaten Cassel. It is clear, though, that Tyler Thigpen is the forgotten man in Kansas City. Babb wonders if Thigpen will even make the team. It's also clear that Chiefs coach Todd Haley thinks his team needs some tough love after the Herm Edwards era. Asked Tuesday about Brett Favre's return, Haley turned the focus back inward. "I'm just worried about this house. It's on fire, and I'm trying to keep it from burning down." Your 2009 Kansas City Chiefs, ladies and gentlemen!
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08-18-2009, 10:47 PM	#92
Micjones Whose house? Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: KCMO Casino cash: $10005180	This is silly... Cassel's your starter...with a bullet. __________________ It's like when I'm right I'm right, when I'm wrong I could been right, so I'm still right cause I coulda been wrong.
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08-18-2009, 10:48 PM	#94
luv You think you can get by this? Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Springfield, MO Casino cash: $-180000	I'm not saying anyone is pushing Cassel. I'm just saying that Croyle doesn't suck. Thought I'd make myself clear on that.
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08-18-2009, 10:54 PM	#98
Titty Meat Inmem 2.0 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: My house Casino cash: $1187558	6 Td's 8 picks and 0 wins as a starter. I guess he'd be an ok backup but these people saying he should be the starter shhhh.
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08-19-2009, 03:28 AM	#102
JohnnyV13 Veteran Join Date: May 2003 Location: Tucson AZ Casino cash: $6025200	What I don't understand is why Croyle hasn't gotten bigger knowing his durability weakness. Heck, I'm a really small guy. I weighed 121lbs when I graduated high school. Two years later, I weighed 171 because I worked very hard in the gym. Hell, I could gain more muscle mass if I were a professional athlete. And, I'm not doing anything exotic with supplements. I understand he's in an NFL conditioning program and perhaps he's just a rather thin guy who's already maxed out his body, but if I were him, I'd be juiced to the gills with HgH. Its on the banned substance list, but they don't test for it. Of course, I wouldn't use mega doses because that can be very bad if you have unknown tumors: in that case, HgH stimulates tumor growth.
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08-19-2009, 06:35 AM	#103
SenselessChiefsFan MVP Join Date: Nov 2008 Casino cash: $10005450	I think Croyle has one of the five best arms in the NFL. He has the kind of arm that is truly impressive in person. He has a better arm that the beloved Sanchez. He has a better arm than Alex Smith. He has a better arm than Leinart. He has an arm comparable to Cutler, or even Elway or Favre in their prime. Not quite as good, but would definitely give those guys a run for their money. I think Croyle has a ton of leadership. I think Croyle has a ton of mobility. About the only things that Croyle doesn't have are experience and durability. Here lies the problem.... he won't get much experience if he can't last more than a half of a football game.... Some of it is just bad luck.... and bad offensive lines. In reality, he is too tough for his own good. He will stand in the pocket in the face of a strong rush to deliver the ball. He will run for yardage and take the hits. The guy has come back from so many injuries. He is like a boxer who just keeps getting up.... when so many of us... (Me included),by now would have just hung em' up. I admire his resolve. I think it is unfortunate that the most talented QB in Chiefs camp right now is also the one that can't be counted on. Last edited by SenselessChiefsFan; 08-19-2009 at 06:43 AM..
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08-19-2009, 06:41 AM	#104
SenselessChiefsFan MVP Join Date: Nov 2008 Casino cash: $10005450	For the record, Cassel struggled in last year's camp too. I would be lying if I said it didn't concern me.... but I am not willing to panic just yet. If Cassel is a bust, I will be more dissapointed in Pioli than anything else. Pioli was with this guy for a few years. I know that you can never 'know' how a guy will respond to a new situation, new contract, and being 'the' guy.... but the main reason I supported the move for Cassel was because Pioli and Johs McDaniels both really wanted the kid. That spoke volumes to me. I will be dissapointed in Pioli if this kid doesn't work out.
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