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Old 11-01-2009, 10:15 AM  
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A few Chiefs' draft questions
-I just realized that one major mistake people are making is assuming that the Chiefs are going to have a top 5 pick. I think it's very possible that Tampa, St. Louis, Cleveland, and Tennessee could pick higher than us. If that's the case, Berry and Suh are taken off the board. Is Cody a bad pick in this case? I actually think he'd be a great pick if those guys are off the board.
-If the Chiefs end up at #5 or #6, do you entertain a trade down? I think the Chiefs could trade down and still get Mays or Cody. And these two draft slots are attractive enough to trade out of
-If Berry and Suh are off the board, is there a player that teams would actually trade up for? I don't want Bradford at all, but is he a player teams would trade up for? What about Dunlap out of Florida?
-If Jimmy Claussen declares (which I don't think he will), is he worth the pick? My opinion--I would even trade up and take him. I think this kid is going to be the best QB prospect in years.
-If Jake Locker declares, is he worth a look? He looks like he'll be a real good QB, but I can't help but think he's going to be Brady Quinn or maybe a less mobile, slightly more accurate version of Cassel
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Old 11-01-2009, 05:28 PM   #91
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LOL ok, I see now.

Even I didnt know Neil Smith played for Buffalo LOL
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Old 11-01-2009, 05:29 PM   #92
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incidentally, those guys are why I wouldn't cry if we drafted Suh. When one of those is available, you take 'im.
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Old 11-01-2009, 05:37 PM   #93
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-Glad you think I'm wrong on the value of the 5-technique. After you ignored a very well-written article on the topic
-I made the point that 3-4 defenses rarely get rid of productive 3-4 Defensive linemen. But put a lot less effort into keeping their OLBs and especially their CBS and ILBs. Obviously teams think 5-techniques are valuable. Tell me where I'm wrong there
-So I'm wrong about Crabtree because he had two productive games?
-And to say that Crabtree was a consensus top 5 pick is revisionist history. Like I said, there were a lot more people on this board against Crabtree than for him. But hindsight is 20/20

It's easy to say somebody's wrong when you don't even try to argue the points.
First off, who gives a shit about an article from 2004 written by Michael Smith? He uses Seymour as his basis. Who cares? Did you NOT know what the 5-Tech DE's job is on the field?

Secondly, the CHIEFS are the only team in NFL HISTORY to place such importance on a 3-4, 5-tech.

And lastly, Pioli went off the ****ing reservation to draft TJ and has been panned by ANYONE and EVERYONE with any football knowledge.

People may have questioned taking Crabtree at #3 (or the other guys I mentioned) but there's no denying that he (and the others) are game-changing playmakers.

TJ is NOT.
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Old 11-01-2009, 05:37 PM   #94
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Some elite 3-4 defensive ends have had that many tackles, some (like Bruce Smith and even Neil Smith) have good sack production as well.

those arent typical 5 tecs though, they were used differently.

Bruce Smith had years where he had over 100 tackles and more than 10 sacks as a 3-4 end. http://www.pro-football-reference.co...S/SmitBr00.htm

Neil Smith was more like 60-70 tackles and 7 or so sacks while in the 3-4
http://www.pro-football-reference.co...S/SmitNe00.htm


there are other examples, but those were different systems they ran. Sure it was a 3-4, but every player had different responsibilities than what our scheme calls for Those are also HOF examples where there were probably only another handfull of players that could do those things in the history of the NFL I know of....

In our system, the jobs of the 3 down linemen is to tie up the 5 olinemen so that the backers can roam and make plays rather than make the plays themselves.

Look at Seymour now as opposed to what he did in NE, completely different responsibilities.
Bruce & Neil Smith were NEVER 5-Tech defensive ends.

End of story.
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Old 11-01-2009, 05:38 PM   #95
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LOL ok, I see now.

Even I didnt know Neil Smith played for Buffalo LOL
Wow.

Been a real long string of one tuesday after another for you...
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Neil Smith played in a non traditional 3-4 his whole buffalo career. Here are a bunch of links to proof, take your pick

http://www.google.com/search?q=bruce...ient=firefox-a
He was never a 5-tech.
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take this for what its worth as well, but in 1988 we had the #3 pick in the draft and traded our #3 pick AND our #3 in the second round to move up ONE SPOT to select Neil Smith who was drafted to play 3-4 5tec lde.

After his first year he was getting slammed in the papers for being a huge bust!

accept it for what it is, an oddly reminiscent comparison of two not so different situations separated by over 20 years.

Could any of you imagine the complete meltdown that would occur here on the Planet if we had done that in this draft?

just WOW

even then they recognized the value of a versatile pass rusher that had the tools to stop the run as well.
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He was never a 5-tech.
Buce. Neil.

Neither one.
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Wow.

Been a real long string of one tuesday after another for you...
It's because he's used to posting at the Chiefs Coalition were EVERYONE is a drooling reerun.
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take this for what its worth as well, but in 1988 we had the #3 pick in the draft and traded our #3 pick AND our #3 in the second round to move up ONE SPOT to select Neil Smith who was drafted to play 3-4 5tec lde.

After his first year he was getting slammed in the papers for being a huge bust!

accept it for what it is, an oddly reminiscent comparison of two not so different situations separated by over 20 years.

Could any of you imagine the complete meltdown that would occur here on the Planet if we had done that in this draft?

just WOW

even then they recognized the value of a versatile pass rusher that had the tools to stop the run as well.
DUDE, SHUT THE **** UP!

Neil Smith was NEVER drafted to be a 5-tech.

What the **** is wrong with you?
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take this for what its worth as well, but in 1988 we had the #3 pick in the draft and traded our #3 pick AND our #3 in the second round to move up ONE SPOT to select Neil Smith who was drafted to play 3-4 5tec lde.

After his first year he was getting slammed in the papers for being a huge bust!

accept it for what it is, an oddly reminiscent comparison of two not so different situations separated by over 20 years.

Could any of you imagine the complete meltdown that would occur here on the Planet if we had done that in this draft?

just WOW

even then they recognized the value of a versatile pass rusher that had the tools to stop the run as well.
Did you just take both sides of the argument in the same post?...
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Buce. Neil.

Neither one.
I don't know how this reerun has any green showing.

JFC.
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He was never a 5-tech.
he was in 88 before Marty came in according to one of those sites I linked.
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he was in 88 before Marty came in according to one of those sites I linked.
What?

Your Google search was about Bruce Smith, not Neil Smith.

Secondly, NEITHER was EVER asked to be a 5-tech.

JFC.

Seriously, are you retarted?
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-I just realized that one major mistake people are making is assuming that the Chiefs are going to have a top 5 pick.
Rams won, and Titans apparently are going to win. Top 5 is getting closer.
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