Chiefs A few Chiefs' draft questions - Page 6

chiefzilla1501 · 11-01-2009, 10:15 AM

-I just realized that one major mistake people are making is assuming that the Chiefs are going to have a top 5 pick. I think it's very possible that Tampa, St. Louis, Cleveland, and Tennessee could pick higher than us. If that's the case, Berry and Suh are taken off the board. Is Cody a bad pick in this case? I actually think he'd be a great pick if those guys are off the board.
-If the Chiefs end up at #5 or #6, do you entertain a trade down? I think the Chiefs could trade down and still get Mays or Cody. And these two draft slots are attractive enough to trade out of
-If Berry and Suh are off the board, is there a player that teams would actually trade up for? I don't want Bradford at all, but is he a player teams would trade up for? What about Dunlap out of Florida?
-If Jimmy Claussen declares (which I don't think he will), is he worth the pick? My opinion--I would even trade up and take him. I think this kid is going to be the best QB prospect in years.
-If Jake Locker declares, is he worth a look? He looks like he'll be a real good QB, but I can't help but think he's going to be Brady Quinn or maybe a less mobile, slightly more accurate version of Cassel

Coogs · 11-01-2009, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Hindsight is 20/20.

Braylon Edwards was a consensus top 5 pick. He hasn't lived up to the top 5 pick, but at the time, any team would have been CRAZY to pass on him based on what they knew then. There were 9 teams that obviously didn't think Crabtree was a top 3 pick. We'll see. Two games is far too soon to judge Crabtree. I haven't followed him to date, but there were a gajillion people on this forum that said no, no, no to Crabtree last year. There were a lot more people that disliked Crabtree on this forum than those who liked him.

I flip-flopped back and forth between the Sanchez/Stafford option and the Crabtree option. At this point in time, I still like my choice better than what we have, but...

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-01-2009, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Just looking through this thread makes me happy I have Chiefzilla on ignore. Crabtree not worth a 3rd pick, but Braylon Edwards is? Hilarious.

Yeah, and a "good" 3-4 DE is supposed to get 70-80 tackles per season, even though Richard Seymour has averaged 44 combined tackles (assists included) in his career.

I hope this guy is neutered.

chiefzilla1501 · 11-01-2009, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Yeah, and a "good" 3-4 DE is supposed to get 70-80 tackles per season, even though Richard Seymour has averaged 44 combined tackles (assists included) in his career.

I hope this guy is neutered.

And admitted I was wrong.

JFC.

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-01-2009, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

And admitted I was wrong.

JFC.

Where did you come up with this idea?

And quite honestly, you've been wrong about everything else in this thread.

Where DO you come up with this shit?

I'm curious.

**BossChief** · 11-01-2009, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Yeah, and a "good" 3-4 DE is supposed to get 70-80 tackles per season, even though Richard Seymour has averaged 44 combined tackles (assists included) in his career.

I hope this guy is neutered.

Some elite 3-4 defensive ends have had that many tackles, some (like Bruce Smith and even Neil Smith) have good sack production as well.

those arent typical 5 tecs though, they were used differently.

Bruce Smith had years where he had over 100 tackles and more than 10 sacks as a 3-4 end. http://www.pro-football-reference.co...S/SmitBr00.htm

Neil Smith was more like 60-70 tackles and 7 or so sacks while in the 3-4
http://www.pro-football-reference.co...S/SmitNe00.htm

there are other examples, but those were different systems they ran. Sure it was a 3-4, but every player had different responsibilities than what our scheme calls for Those are also HOF examples where there were probably only another handfull of players that could do those things in the history of the NFL I know of....

In our system, the jobs of the 3 down linemen is to tie up the 5 olinemen so that the backers can roam and make plays rather than make the plays themselves.

Look at Seymour now as opposed to what he did in NE, completely different responsibilities.

**Rausch** · 11-01-2009, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Some elite 3-4 defensive ends have had that many tackles, some (like Bruce Smith and even Neil Smith) have good sack production as well.

When was Neil Smith a 3-4 DE?

'Hamas' Jenkins · 11-01-2009, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Got Grbac

you also took Vernon Gholston over Matt Ryan on a team that is an elite QB away from being Super Bowl contenders...

The Dolphins are nowhere near being SB contenders, QB or not.

Keep harping on this though, it's the only ammo you've got, you stupid ****ing ****.

milkman · 11-01-2009, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

When was Neil Smith a 3-4 DE?

Hell, when did Bruse Smith play in a 34?

I think Neil played in a 34 from about 90-92.

**Rausch** · 11-01-2009, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Hell, when did Bruse Smith play in a 34?

I think Neil played in a 34 from about 90-92.

Yeah, when DT got to pick what side of the formation he wanted to blitz from...

**BossChief** · 11-01-2009, 05:14 PM

Neil Smith played in a non traditional 3-4 his whole buffalo career. Here are a bunch of links to proof, take your pick

http://www.google.com/search?q=bruce...ient=firefox-a

**DeezNutz** · 11-01-2009, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Neil Smith played in a non traditional 3-4 his whole buffalo career. Here are a bunch of links to proof, take your pick

http://www.google.com/search?q=bruce...ient=firefox-a

Better duck.

milkman · 11-01-2009, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Neil Smith played in a non traditional 3-4 his whole buffalo career. Here are a bunch of links to proof, take your pick

http://www.google.com/search?q=bruce...ient=firefox-a

I think they all say the same thing.

A non traditional 34 that looked exactly like a traditional 43.

milkman · 11-01-2009, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Better duck.

Why?

chiefzilla1501 · 11-01-2009, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Where did you come up with this idea?

And quite honestly, you've been wrong about everything else in this thread.

Where DO you come up with this shit?

I'm curious.

-Glad you think I'm wrong on the value of the 5-technique. After you ignored a very well-written article on the topic
-I made the point that 3-4 defenses rarely get rid of productive 3-4 Defensive linemen. But put a lot less effort into keeping their OLBs and especially their CBS and ILBs. Obviously teams think 5-techniques are valuable. Tell me where I'm wrong there
-So I'm wrong about Crabtree because he had two productive games?
-And to say that Crabtree was a consensus top 5 pick is revisionist history. Like I said, there were a lot more people on this board against Crabtree than for him. But hindsight is 20/20

It's easy to say somebody's wrong when you don't even try to argue the points.

**DeezNutz** · 11-01-2009, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Why?

Neil Smith's career...in Buffalo?

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