Chiefs Props to Cassel for converting on some key 3rd downs - Page 7

PunkinDrublic · 10-24-2010, 03:31 PM

If you're going to pile on when he ****s up you gotta credit him when he plays well. Our run game was dominant, but I'm stoked Cassel was able to complete some key third down passes when the game was still close.

suds79 · 10-25-2010, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Get ready for it, because if this team makes the playoffs and Cassel has around an 85-90 QB rating, they are paying the bonus.

And that's fine. But I think they'll bring in competition and/or draft someone they want to take that spot in time.

When someone says "build around a guy" that says to me they think they have their man. Their franchise QB. There's no way they believe that.

Micjones · 10-25-2010, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

If someone said that Cassel would be 9th in QB rating and the Chiefs would be 4-2 after 7 weeks, all of you would have jumped at that chance.

I'm happy with the progress. He's clearly the weakest link now and it's not sinking us. I would like to see some screen passes to loosen the defense up more, but for all his limitations, he's playing fine football right now.

33-for-47, 394 passing yards, 5 TD's, 0 INT's = 130 QB Rating the last 2 weeks.
Yeah...No complaints there at all. He's playing efficiently.
Weis is doing this job.

RedNFeisty · 10-25-2010, 08:03 AM

You know what, I am thrilled by what this team is becoming. Improvements need to be made, but what team doesn't need any. Cry and whine all you wish, but 4-2 baby, who would ever of thought!?!?

This year watching the Chiefs, I'm having fun, my blood gets pumping, that is all I ask for this season! Great job, boys!!

chiefzilla1501 · 10-25-2010, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by suds79

IMO they could help out that area lot whenever Studebaker takes over Vrabel's spot.

He looked really slow yesterday covering Jones out of the backfield. (and TE Lewis on the crossing route)

I think people on this board can be too tough on Vrabel. When you match-up Jones Drew against a guy who is essentially supposed to be a lot more an undersized DE, you're going to get ****ed.

On the pass rusher side, I don't fully understand why people are screaming for that. Look at most 3-4 defenses and the LDE typically only has about 3-5 sacks per season. What we need is more consistency from our D-line on passing situations. As much credit as Smith gets for his play, he doesn't create lanes for his LBs. I think if we can start getting a lot more rotations with Smith at NT and Jackson at LDE, our pass rush improves by leaps and bounds.

ReynardMuldrake · 10-25-2010, 08:40 AM

Honestly I think our lack of depth at WR is holding us back more that Cassel. Surround him with good weapons and he is a decent QB. Drafting a stud WR should be one of our top priorities next year.

**Lzen** · 10-25-2010, 08:42 AM

I have been critical of Cassel this year. But I will say that he has played well the past 2 weeks. Other than an occasional pass that was high, he had a good game yesterday. If he can continue to play this way, maybe we have a chance to make a little noise in the playoffs. I'm not ready to proclaim him a good QB just yet. But it appears that he is getting better.

SenselessChiefsFan · 10-25-2010, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefs Rool

Cassel made some plays today, I even saw him step up in the pocket and make a throw! I think it was his first time. But, I'm still not that confident with him. I hope he gets better and consistent, but I'm not counting on it. But I guess he deserves some credit for 2 solid games in a row.

Four. Like it or not, since the second half of the Cleveland game, Cassel has played well.

Not HOF, but as well as he has played as a Chief.

Part of it is the offense getting in synch around him. He will never 'carry' a team, but he is proving he can be a good 'facilitator'.

Pants · 10-25-2010, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Lzen

I have been critical of Cassel this year. But I will say that he has played well the past 2 weeks. Other than an occasional pass that was high, he had a good game yesterday. If he can continue to play this way, maybe we have a chance to make a little noise in the playoffs. I'm not ready to proclaim him a good QB just yet. But it appears that he is getting better.

We'll see how he plays against teams that aren't in the bottom 10 percent in pass D. I sure hope he keeps improving, but I don't think it's in the cards.

Beef Supreme · 10-25-2010, 09:17 AM

The guy is improving every week. They started the season making sure that above anything else, he didn't make big mistakes. Now that they seem to have that accomplished, they are letting him do more, and he continues to improve.

I don't know if he is the guy. But I'm pretty sure I trust this coaching staff. How well do you think we would be playing as a team if Todd Haley threw Matt Cassell under the bus like Brad Childress did to Brett Favre after last night's game?

We have coaches with a lot of character, who are developing players with a lot of character. That sounds a lot like a New England team that won a few superbowls. But it is still the early stages, and we still have some holes to fill. Give the coaching staff some credit and let them finish what they started.

ToxSocks · 10-25-2010, 09:29 AM

I thought he played his best game yesterday. He's getting better. Gotta give him love when he deserves it.

**Lzen** · 10-25-2010, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

Four. Like it or not, since the second half of the Cleveland game, Cassel has played well.

Not HOF, but as well as he has played as a Chief.

Part of it is the offense getting in synch around him. He will never 'carry' a team, but he is proving he can be a good 'facilitator'.

Actually, that is not correct. Cassel played like crap early in the 49ers game. But he did get it going and played well from about midway through the 2nd quarter on, IIRC. But he didn't play very well against Indy.

Alton deFlat · 10-25-2010, 10:34 AM

He really is beginning to play well, and more like the player we all hoped he would become. He continues to be a slow starter, but with each game he is getting into the flow of the game earlier.
It's so damn nice to finally expect a victory, instead of another loss. This coaching staff is getting productivity out of players like DJ, Hali, and Dorsey that Herm could have only dreamed about. Makes you cringe to think about what this team and these players would be like if they were still in an Edwards type system.

Shox · 10-25-2010, 11:10 AM

I love the fact KC is 4-2, but to give Matt Cassel credit beyond the fact he did not screw it up is ridiculous!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yes he has played largely mistake free football, but he is holding this team back.

I was at the game yesterday, I'm not sure about the 1st half, but I took notice on every play in the 2nd half. The Jags played the 2nd half with one deep safety. I use the term 1 deep safety loosely because he was on only about 15 yards deep. They played man to man on the WRS and had one safety deep with very few exceptions. Several times the safety was on the opposite hash mark from where Bowe was lined up. The other 8 defensive players were inside 5 yards of scrimmage. Bowe had half the field one on one with a defender. Not one time did we run Bowe (or any other reciever) on a go pattern. We never tried to explot a complete advantage. There was nothing for Cassel to read, nothing was being disguised. It was right there to be taken and we did not.

Why is this??? Because our coaches are to stupid to recognize what is going on? I don't think so? Because Bowe or anther WR is completely uncapable of running a go pattern?? This might have a merit, but the answer is still no.

The fact is they know Cassel is not capable of executing the throw. They don't have confidence in him. On Bowes TD receiption he was about 10 yards behind the defender and Cassel underthrew it so bad he had to stop and wait on the ball. Because he is a beast to bring down he was able to run through the tackles of the defenders who were able to catch up to him.

The fact is we were able to run very effectively against a poor run D despite the fact they were selling out to stop it. Against better defenses who will be able to slow the run game down with 8 in the box, Cassel will be have to win games by challenging the defense over the top. Absolutely nothing suggests he will be able to do it!!!

I hope I have to totally eat my words, but I'm very afraid I totally right. We will see.

Hammock Parties · 10-25-2010, 11:12 AM

Nice post, lurker.

**Ming the Merciless** · 10-25-2010, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

It must've changed because, that's what his sheet said with his stat output on NFL.com when I posted it

Cassel is 30th in the league in total pass yardage per game at 168.5, 21st in passing percentage with 59.5 , 13th in TDs with 9

Well for one thing, many of the QB's ahead of him have had an extra game, so he should at least be higher in TD's to be fair. Also, I have him at 26th in pass yards per game (Not a huge difference...(min. 14 passes per game)) But I have a feeling you are including guys that have some less games played....Passing yards per SEASON he comes up to 23rd and that is with a game less than many of the other QB's.

Not looking at INTS? Not Looking at Yards Per Completion? Sacks taken? Wins?

Not looking at the whole picture...

Also, the yards per game is a little unfair, because of how many rushing yards per game we have gotten.

I'm not a blind Castle supporter, but I am also not a blind basher either. The guy is playing OK right now in my eyes. I think people should give credit where credit is due.

10-24-2010, 03:31 PM
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10-25-2010, 08:03 AM	#93
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10-25-2010, 08:40 AM	#95
ReynardMuldrake 2 Legit 2 Colquitt Join Date: Sep 2010 Casino cash: $2355754	Honestly I think our lack of depth at WR is holding us back more that Cassel. Surround him with good weapons and he is a decent QB. Drafting a stud WR should be one of our top priorities next year.
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10-25-2010, 08:42 AM	#96
Lzen Banded Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Oz Casino cash: $-529308	I have been critical of Cassel this year. But I will say that he has played well the past 2 weeks. Other than an occasional pass that was high, he had a good game yesterday. If he can continue to play this way, maybe we have a chance to make a little noise in the playoffs. I'm not ready to proclaim him a good QB just yet. But it appears that he is getting better. __________________ Conversation would be vastly improved by the constant use of four simple words: I do not know.
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10-25-2010, 09:17 AM	#99
Beef Supreme MVP Join Date: Oct 2010 Casino cash: $10019560	The guy is improving every week. They started the season making sure that above anything else, he didn't make big mistakes. Now that they seem to have that accomplished, they are letting him do more, and he continues to improve. I don't know if he is the guy. But I'm pretty sure I trust this coaching staff. How well do you think we would be playing as a team if Todd Haley threw Matt Cassell under the bus like Brad Childress did to Brett Favre after last night's game? We have coaches with a lot of character, who are developing players with a lot of character. That sounds a lot like a New England team that won a few superbowls. But it is still the early stages, and we still have some holes to fill. Give the coaching staff some credit and let them finish what they started.
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10-25-2010, 09:29 AM	#100
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10-25-2010, 10:34 AM	#102
Alton deFlat The Sicilian Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Joplin, Missouri Casino cash: $10004900	He really is beginning to play well, and more like the player we all hoped he would become. He continues to be a slow starter, but with each game he is getting into the flow of the game earlier. It's so damn nice to finally expect a victory, instead of another loss. This coaching staff is getting productivity out of players like DJ, Hali, and Dorsey that Herm could have only dreamed about. Makes you cringe to think about what this team and these players would be like if they were still in an Edwards type system.
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10-25-2010, 11:10 AM	#103
Shox Starter Join Date: Mar 2005 Casino cash: $10005765	I love the fact KC is 4-2, but to give Matt Cassel credit beyond the fact he did not screw it up is ridiculous!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yes he has played largely mistake free football, but he is holding this team back. I was at the game yesterday, I'm not sure about the 1st half, but I took notice on every play in the 2nd half. The Jags played the 2nd half with one deep safety. I use the term 1 deep safety loosely because he was on only about 15 yards deep. They played man to man on the WRS and had one safety deep with very few exceptions. Several times the safety was on the opposite hash mark from where Bowe was lined up. The other 8 defensive players were inside 5 yards of scrimmage. Bowe had half the field one on one with a defender. Not one time did we run Bowe (or any other reciever) on a go pattern. We never tried to explot a complete advantage. There was nothing for Cassel to read, nothing was being disguised. It was right there to be taken and we did not. Why is this??? Because our coaches are to stupid to recognize what is going on? I don't think so? Because Bowe or anther WR is completely uncapable of running a go pattern?? This might have a merit, but the answer is still no. The fact is they know Cassel is not capable of executing the throw. They don't have confidence in him. On Bowes TD receiption he was about 10 yards behind the defender and Cassel underthrew it so bad he had to stop and wait on the ball. Because he is a beast to bring down he was able to run through the tackles of the defenders who were able to catch up to him. The fact is we were able to run very effectively against a poor run D despite the fact they were selling out to stop it. Against better defenses who will be able to slow the run game down with 8 in the box, Cassel will be have to win games by challenging the defense over the top. Absolutely nothing suggests he will be able to do it!!! I hope I have to totally eat my words, but I'm very afraid I totally right. We will see.
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10-25-2010, 11:12 AM	#104
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